If our only loss is to ASU it doesn't even matter, we would be 6-0 versus common

Oct 28, 2024
11:55:53am

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opponents and ISU would be 5-1, we are in

If it does end up being based on our game against KSU we are in too

either way we are in if our only loss is ASU

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So is the general consensus that if we beat Utah and Kansas

Zerigke Ally Zerigke

11:35am

no there's still a lot that can happen.

Socrates Johnson

11:35am

Nope. If KSU wins out and ISU wins out except KState, they would both get in ahead of a 1-loss BYU

unctoothman

11:37am

Doesn't BYU have the tie breaker against KSU?

Mostlyaccurate

11:38am

We don't play Iowa State so H2H with Kansas State doesn't apply.

OnEMoReTrY

11:39am

It does apply after the 3-way tiebreaker is used to determine who finishes 1st.

Japan Coug

11:45am

This has already been hashed out on twitter. The consensus is you are wrong

rcbyufan

11:49am

Yes, I've seen these posts, and they are almost certainly wrong

Japan Coug

11:49am

It all comes down to the interpretation of who the “next common opponent” is

BYUCLA

11:51am

Yes, some lawyerly types are trying to argue that "next-best" means "next-worse"

Japan Coug

11:53am

Look, I agree completely with you but I've had years of listening to conferences

rcbyufan

11:56am

Man I hope you’re right on this but I’m too dumb to figure it out.

YOHONOMOTO

1:50pm

I'm expecting the tie breaks all the way to coin flip. We'll dominate that.

refunder

12:43pm

I sure hope you are right. Is there anything you are looking at that makes you

rcbyufan

11:52am

If our only loss is to ASU it doesn't even matter, we would be 6-0 versus common

BYUFootballisBack

11:55am

Yes, the actual Big 12 tiebreaking procedure. The confusion arises over the

Japan Coug

11:57am

I'm guessing the Big 12 won't say anything until before that last weekend.

rcbyufan

12:00pm

you just rewrote the tie-breaker to "best common opponent" and

Best Guess

1:23pm

Yes, it doesn’t say “next-worse”, it says “next-best”. In this scenario, the

Japan Coug

1:30pm

It says "proceeding through the standings." Can't ignore that part

Doogal McCougar

2:06pm

Big12 knows what it means and will interpret it as they want it interpreted

NYC and Japan

1:47pm

FWIW, the Big 12 CCG tool shows BYU @ #2 in that scenario

Doogal McCougar

2:05pm

What tool are you talking about?

rcbyufan

2:10pm

The Big 12 champion generator tool that you linked in your post

Doogal McCougar

2:11pm

OK. Yeah. The issue is that isn't official. I hope it is wrong.

rcbyufan

2:13pm

According to that tool. If we lose to Arizona State it doesn't matter if

Powerbait DPM

3:46pm

Yes it does

Zoobieman

2:17pm

Only head to head. We do NOT want to be in a 3 way tie with KState. KState is

rcbyufan

11:40am

So a one loss byu to say asu would not get in over a one loss ksu

franklyvulgar

11:42am

If our only loss is to ASU we will play KSU in the CCG, we get in over ISU

BYUFootballisBack

11:52am

This is correct. ASU loss is the "best" loss to have. Got to win next two games

rcbyufan

11:54am

This is not correct.

Japan Coug

11:46am

It's more likely to be a 4 way tie at 8-1.

slatecoug

4:02pm

Isn't that based on how other teams in the conference all do from now to then?

HRCougar

11:41am

Only if our one loss is not to ASU

BYUFootballisBack

11:43am

Not accurate, although many on CB have been saying this.

Japan Coug

11:43am

NOPE NOT SO FAST

realisticCoug42

12:30pm

What if BYU is 12-0? Not “one loss”?

truecougster

12:47pm

That tells me the rules are really stupid.

YOHONOMOTO

1:49pm

Kansas State lost to a top team, BYU lost to a bottom team, advantage KSU

BYUFootballisBack

4:17pm

This only happens in a three+ team tie though, 2 way tie with them we win

BYUFootballisBack

4:17pm

Not true. . . Even with Colorado in the mix.

Zoobieman

2:17pm

There are some scenarios where we're still left out. But ASU loss is the "best"

rcbyufan

11:37am

Yes, we are a lock for the CCG if our only loss is ASU

BYUFootballisBack

11:41am

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BYUFootballisBack

11:45am

Not at all. We are only a lock if we win out. If we lose a game, we could be

Japan Coug

11:42am

If K-State loses to Iowa State then that's two losses versus BYU's one.

Schrodizzy

11:46am

We get the nod over Colorado due to our win over Kansas State

BYUFootballisBack

11:47am

These next two games are very important then.

Schrodizzy

11:48am

I rechecked, it actually doesnt matter, if ISU wins out and its us or Colorado

BYUFootballisBack

11:48am

Cuz we beat kstate who beat Colorado ?

franklyvulgar

11:48am

Correct, assuming Kansas State doesn't lose any other games and is next highest

BYUFootballisBack

11:50am

I don’t want to chance it and I want to be in position for a CFP spot if we do make it to Arlington

runningryan

12:12pm

The ESPN Playoff Predictor seems to think yes

Brandoblueblood

12:13pm

Ran the two scenarios: 1st rnd vs GA w/ 15% win, or 2nd rnd vs Boise w/ 85% win

seacougar

1:08pm

The definitive answer is yes, we are a lock if we only have 1 loss

arkansasbleedsblue

1:01pm

We cant lose to Houston if Colorado doesn't win out. If Colorado wins out we can

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