Isn't that based on how other teams in the conference all do from now to then?

Oct 28, 2024
11:41:09am

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In other words with how things stand right now they win the tiebreaker but who knows how the tiebreaker will shake out depending on how other games go? Or is it really that set in stone?

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So is the general consensus that if we beat Utah and Kansas

Zerigke Ally Zerigke

Oct 28, 11:35am

no there's still a lot that can happen.

Socrates Johnson

Oct 28, 11:35am

Nope. If KSU wins out and ISU wins out except KState, they would both get in ahead of a 1-loss BYU

unctoothman

Oct 28, 11:37am

Doesn't BYU have the tie breaker against KSU?

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 28, 11:38am

We don't play Iowa State so H2H with Kansas State doesn't apply.

OnEMoReTrY

Oct 28, 11:39am

It does apply after the 3-way tiebreaker is used to determine who finishes 1st.

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:45am

This has already been hashed out on twitter. The consensus is you are wrong

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:49am

Yes, I've seen these posts, and they are almost certainly wrong

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:49am

It all comes down to the interpretation of who the “next common opponent” is

BYUCLA

Oct 28, 11:51am

Yes, some lawyerly types are trying to argue that "next-best" means "next-worse"

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:53am

Look, I agree completely with you but I've had years of listening to conferences

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:56am

Man I hope you’re right on this but I’m too dumb to figure it out.

YOHONOMOTO

Oct 28, 1:50pm

I'm expecting the tie breaks all the way to coin flip. We'll dominate that.

refunder

Oct 28, 12:43pm

I sure hope you are right. Is there anything you are looking at that makes you

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:52am

If our only loss is to ASU it doesn't even matter, we would be 6-0 versus common

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:55am

Yes, the actual Big 12 tiebreaking procedure. The confusion arises over the

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:57am

I'm guessing the Big 12 won't say anything until before that last weekend.

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 12:00pm

you just rewrote the tie-breaker to "best common opponent" and

Best Guess

Oct 28, 1:23pm

Yes, it doesn’t say “next-worse”, it says “next-best”. In this scenario, the

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 1:30pm

It says "proceeding through the standings." Can't ignore that part

Doogal McCougar

Oct 28, 2:06pm

Big12 knows what it means and will interpret it as they want it interpreted

NYC and Japan

Oct 28, 1:47pm

FWIW, the Big 12 CCG tool shows BYU @ #2 in that scenario

Doogal McCougar

Oct 28, 2:05pm

What tool are you talking about?

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 2:10pm

The Big 12 champion generator tool that you linked in your post

Doogal McCougar

Oct 28, 2:11pm

OK. Yeah. The issue is that isn't official. I hope it is wrong.

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 2:13pm

According to that tool. If we lose to Arizona State it doesn't matter if

Powerbait DPM

Oct 28, 3:46pm

Yes it does

Zoobieman

Oct 28, 2:17pm

Only head to head. We do NOT want to be in a 3 way tie with KState. KState is

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:40am

So a one loss byu to say asu would not get in over a one loss ksu

franklyvulgar

Oct 28, 11:42am

If our only loss is to ASU we will play KSU in the CCG, we get in over ISU

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:52am

This is correct. ASU loss is the "best" loss to have. Got to win next two games

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:54am

This is not correct.

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:46am

It's more likely to be a 4 way tie at 8-1.

slatecoug

Oct 28, 4:02pm

Isn't that based on how other teams in the conference all do from now to then?

HRCougar

Oct 28, 11:41am

Only if our one loss is not to ASU

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:43am

Not accurate, although many on CB have been saying this.

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:43am

NOPE NOT SO FAST

realisticCoug42

Oct 28, 12:30pm

What if BYU is 12-0? Not “one loss”?

truecougster

Oct 28, 12:47pm

That tells me the rules are really stupid.

YOHONOMOTO

Oct 28, 1:49pm

Kansas State lost to a top team, BYU lost to a bottom team, advantage KSU

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 4:17pm

This only happens in a three+ team tie though, 2 way tie with them we win

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 4:17pm

Again that’s stupid. Like really stupid.

YOHONOMOTO

Oct 28, 4:26pm

Its the rare and coveted quality loss though, who cares about head to head

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 4:33pm

Not true. . . Even with Colorado in the mix.

Zoobieman

Oct 28, 2:17pm

Incorrect. BYU beats 1-loss ISU in the 2nd tiebreaker if our L is to ASU

RGGeemer

Oct 28, 6:11pm

There are some scenarios where we're still left out. But ASU loss is the "best"

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 11:37am

Which scenario has us out if we beat Utah and Kansas and Houston?

RGGeemer

Oct 28, 6:12pm

I think you're right. The scenario was before Tech and Cincy lost this past week

rcbyufan

Oct 28, 6:25pm

Yes, we are a lock for the CCG if our only loss is ASU

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:41am

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BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:45am

Not at all. We are only a lock if we win out. If we lose a game, we could be

Japan Coug

Oct 28, 11:42am

If K-State loses to Iowa State then that's two losses versus BYU's one.

Schrodizzy

Oct 28, 11:46am

We get the nod over Colorado due to our win over Kansas State

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:47am

These next two games are very important then.

Schrodizzy

Oct 28, 11:48am

I rechecked, it actually doesnt matter, if ISU wins out and its us or Colorado

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:48am

Cuz we beat kstate who beat Colorado ?

franklyvulgar

Oct 28, 11:48am

Correct, assuming Kansas State doesn't lose any other games and is next highest

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 11:50am

I don’t want to chance it and I want to be in position for a CFP spot if we do make it to Arlington

runningryan

Oct 28, 12:12pm

The ESPN Playoff Predictor seems to think yes

Brandoblueblood

Oct 28, 12:13pm

Ran the two scenarios: 1st rnd vs GA w/ 15% win, or 2nd rnd vs Boise w/ 85% win

seacougar

Oct 28, 1:08pm

The definitive answer is yes, we are a lock if we only have 1 loss

arkansasbleedsblue

Oct 28, 1:01pm

We cant lose to Houston if Colorado doesn't win out. If Colorado wins out we can

BYUFootballisBack

Oct 28, 4:18pm

Correct

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