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Oct 28, 2024
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unctoothman
To extract or not to extract..
Nope. If KSU wins out and ISU wins out except KState, they would both get in ahead of a 1-loss BYU
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So is the general consensus that if we beat Utah and Kansas
Zerigke Ally Zerigke
Oct 28, 11:35am
no there's still a lot that can happen.
Socrates Johnson
Oct 28, 11:35am
Nope. If KSU wins out and ISU wins out except KState, they would both get in ahead of a 1-loss BYU
unctoothman
Oct 28, 11:37am
Doesn't BYU have the tie breaker against KSU?
Mostlyaccurate
Oct 28, 11:38am
We don't play Iowa State so H2H with Kansas State doesn't apply.
OnEMoReTrY
Oct 28, 11:39am
It does apply after the 3-way tiebreaker is used to determine who finishes 1st.
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:45am
This has already been hashed out on twitter. The consensus is you are wrong
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:49am
Yes, I've seen these posts, and they are almost certainly wrong
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:49am
It all comes down to the interpretation of who the “next common opponent” is
BYUCLA
Oct 28, 11:51am
Yes, some lawyerly types are trying to argue that "next-best" means "next-worse"
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:53am
Look, I agree completely with you but I've had years of listening to conferences
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:56am
Man I hope you’re right on this but I’m too dumb to figure it out.
YOHONOMOTO
Oct 28, 1:50pm
I'm expecting the tie breaks all the way to coin flip. We'll dominate that.
refunder
Oct 28, 12:43pm
I sure hope you are right. Is there anything you are looking at that makes you
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:52am
If our only loss is to ASU it doesn't even matter, we would be 6-0 versus common
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:55am
Yes, the actual Big 12 tiebreaking procedure. The confusion arises over the
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:57am
I'm guessing the Big 12 won't say anything until before that last weekend.
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 12:00pm
you just rewrote the tie-breaker to "best common opponent" and
Best Guess
Oct 28, 1:23pm
Yes, it doesn’t say “next-worse”, it says “next-best”. In this scenario, the
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 1:30pm
It says "proceeding through the standings." Can't ignore that part
Doogal McCougar
Oct 28, 2:06pm
Big12 knows what it means and will interpret it as they want it interpreted
NYC and Japan
Oct 28, 1:47pm
FWIW, the Big 12 CCG tool shows BYU @ #2 in that scenario
Doogal McCougar
Oct 28, 2:05pm
What tool are you talking about?
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 2:10pm
The Big 12 champion generator tool that you linked in your post
Doogal McCougar
Oct 28, 2:11pm
OK. Yeah. The issue is that isn't official. I hope it is wrong.
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 2:13pm
According to that tool. If we lose to Arizona State it doesn't matter if
Powerbait DPM
Oct 28, 3:46pm
Yes it does
Zoobieman
Oct 28, 2:17pm
Only head to head. We do NOT want to be in a 3 way tie with KState. KState is
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:40am
So a one loss byu to say asu would not get in over a one loss ksu
franklyvulgar
Oct 28, 11:42am
If our only loss is to ASU we will play KSU in the CCG, we get in over ISU
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:52am
This is correct. ASU loss is the "best" loss to have. Got to win next two games
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:54am
This is not correct.
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:46am
It's more likely to be a 4 way tie at 8-1.
slatecoug
Oct 28, 4:02pm
Isn't that based on how other teams in the conference all do from now to then?
HRCougar
Oct 28, 11:41am
Only if our one loss is not to ASU
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:43am
Not accurate, although many on CB have been saying this.
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:43am
NOPE NOT SO FAST
realisticCoug42
Oct 28, 12:30pm
What if BYU is 12-0? Not “one loss”?
truecougster
Oct 28, 12:47pm
That tells me the rules are really stupid.
YOHONOMOTO
Oct 28, 1:49pm
Kansas State lost to a top team, BYU lost to a bottom team, advantage KSU
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 4:17pm
This only happens in a three+ team tie though, 2 way tie with them we win
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 4:17pm
Again that’s stupid. Like really stupid.
YOHONOMOTO
Oct 28, 4:26pm
Its the rare and coveted quality loss though, who cares about head to head
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 4:33pm
Not true. . . Even with Colorado in the mix.
Zoobieman
Oct 28, 2:17pm
Incorrect. BYU beats 1-loss ISU in the 2nd tiebreaker if our L is to ASU
RGGeemer
Oct 28, 6:11pm
There are some scenarios where we're still left out. But ASU loss is the "best"
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 11:37am
Which scenario has us out if we beat Utah and Kansas and Houston?
RGGeemer
Oct 28, 6:12pm
I think you're right. The scenario was before Tech and Cincy lost this past week
rcbyufan
Oct 28, 6:25pm
Yes, we are a lock for the CCG if our only loss is ASU
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:41am
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BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:45am
Not at all. We are only a lock if we win out. If we lose a game, we could be
Japan Coug
Oct 28, 11:42am
If K-State loses to Iowa State then that's two losses versus BYU's one.
Schrodizzy
Oct 28, 11:46am
We get the nod over Colorado due to our win over Kansas State
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:47am
These next two games are very important then.
Schrodizzy
Oct 28, 11:48am
I rechecked, it actually doesnt matter, if ISU wins out and its us or Colorado
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:48am
Cuz we beat kstate who beat Colorado ?
franklyvulgar
Oct 28, 11:48am
Correct, assuming Kansas State doesn't lose any other games and is next highest
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 11:50am
I don’t want to chance it and I want to be in position for a CFP spot if we do make it to Arlington
runningryan
Oct 28, 12:12pm
The ESPN Playoff Predictor seems to think yes
Brandoblueblood
Oct 28, 12:13pm
Ran the two scenarios: 1st rnd vs GA w/ 15% win, or 2nd rnd vs Boise w/ 85% win
seacougar
Oct 28, 1:08pm
The definitive answer is yes, we are a lock if we only have 1 loss
arkansasbleedsblue
Oct 28, 1:01pm
We cant lose to Houston if Colorado doesn't win out. If Colorado wins out we can
BYUFootballisBack
Oct 28, 4:18pm
Correct
RGGeemer
Oct 28, 6:10pm
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