Even 3rd down conversions is "off" because BYU goes for it so often on 4th.

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Oct 16, 2024
5:19:19pm

Brandoblueblood Truly Addicted User

A better metric should be a % of times BYU turns it over on downs or punts. For a team that goes for it a lot on 3rd down, that metric is only slightly more useful than the nearly useless "2nd down conversion rate"

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McMurphy said BYU has 3rd worse offense in Big12.

claw

1:46pm

no idea, but if it is, its not our fault our defense and special teams gives us

LeonMarek

1:48pm

BYU would get more yards if the end zone didn't keep getting in the way. Seriously though, if using

Soupie

1:52pm

Jay Hill needs to instruct his players to run backwards when they get a turnover

HandwovenBox

2:20pm

This is what he's looking at

Viva Campeche

1:48pm

If you look at scoring offense we are the third best in the big 12

Viva Campeche

1:49pm

This is what he should be looking at:

BYUMizzou

1:59pm

Which has BYU @ 25 and “offensive darling” Colorado at #79

flyonawall

3:12pm

For offense we are 60th, they are 83rd

Viva Campeche

3:17pm

People who simply look at yards to assess offense need some education

Projectoor

3:24pm

Also takes garbage time into account. Much better metric. No coincidence it has ISU first for the Big 12 and us 3rd.

mvtoro

3:53pm

I had thought isu was a defensive team that struggled some on offense

BYU '80

9:12pm

ESPN efficiency has us as 8/16

downtownchrisbrown

5:43pm

Doesn't matter. The team's just started putting together long drives, so they'll

BlueFever

1:53pm

100% our running game right now... injuries at RB have not helped here

Coug

1:58pm

We don’t have a running back good enough. Moa is the only back that is decent.

bookofdaniel

6:26pm

Did we watch the same game last sat? LJ Martin had an amazing game.

karatekid

6:39pm

Yes and Martin is very average. Mia is our best back.

bookofdaniel

7:11pm

I don't think he watches the same games as any of us. BYU could go 12-0 and he

cougarfan84

7:15pm

Really? Based on what?? You can’t take any criticism at all. Martin isn’t

bookofdaniel

8:21pm

No he didn't. You could tell he wasn't 100%. When he is, you can make the argument he's the best back.

unctoothman

7:17pm

RE: We don’t have a running back good enough. Moa is the only back that is decent.

Adrielle

6:42pm

BYU is 3rd in the conference in points per game and 1st in the conference in points per play.

kccougar

2:11pm

Our redzone efficiency is great

YOHONOMOTO

3:15pm

We almost always score. It would be nice to have bit higher TD% though

JuicyJam

3:23pm

Our offense overall has been pretty average.

JuicyJam

2:15pm

Yet we drove 99 yards on Saturday

BYU Grounds

2:22pm

Which was awesome. We also had 3 other drives that totaled 2 yards.

JuicyJam

2:26pm

and yet we are 6-0. There are three facets of football, Offense, Defense and Special Teams. BYU is excelling at all 3

BYU Grounds

2:27pm

The offense has been good. I wouldn't say excelling.

JuicyJam

2:41pm

RE: Which was awesome. We also had 3 other drives that totaled 2 yards.

Doogal McCougar

2:30pm

teams don't get first downs every drive, sorry.

Zombre

2:31pm

Against bad defenses you do and this is by far the worst defense we will face the rest of the season.

Coug

2:39pm

You are correct. Other teams of teens never ever struggle on a drive

NYC and Japan

3:32pm

BYU gets at least 10 yards on a drive 64% of the time.

JuicyJam

2:46pm

Here are the offensive FEI rankings which are opponent adjusted.

ManicBlue

2:23pm

Here are the defensive FEI rankings if you're interested.

ManicBlue

2:34pm

I would note that both offense and defense are still being held down by last yr

rcbyufan

4:17pm

I don't believe FEI rankings use last year's metrics at all.

ManicBlue

4:20pm

They do. It drops off thru the year. FEI is one of the best IMO because they

rcbyufan

4:32pm

Nothing I've read about how FEI rankings are determined show that they use previous year's stats. I'd be interested to

ManicBlue

5:05pm

Maybe it's because we've played the 3rd hardest schedule in the NCAA

WDaddy

2:25pm

He has also consistently picked against us, so he is an idiot

2FarGone

2:36pm

Good at reporting, bad at assessing a team

SoBlueitHurts

4:54pm

BYU has an offensive efficiency rank of 38 according to ESPN, 8th in B12

Projectoor

2:45pm

BYU's offense can't even take the field when the defense or ST scores.

Brandoblueblood

3:00pm

I'd grade offense by number of points the offense puts up

CoolB

3:20pm

Except even that is misleading when the defense or special teams scores

Brandoblueblood

5:11pm

BYU is currently #72 in total offense. That's mediocre in my book. Must get

CT98

3:28pm

Where are we in starting field position?

ManicBlue

3:40pm

Total offense is a stupid metric to rank teams and make any kind of judgement.

cougaman

4:07pm

I agree it's not the best metric. It's looking at total yards gained.

CT98

5:21pm

Total offense is one of the dumbest metrics ever conceived.

rcbyufan

4:20pm

Second to time of possession. Super overrated.

mvtoro

4:20pm

100%. Each team gets the same amount of possessions in a game...

Brandoblueblood

5:15pm

Those numbers are skewed. The O can't score points when D and ST do

Brandoblueblood

5:14pm

Great point and I agree that the metric can be misleading. I'm more concerned

CT98

5:29pm

But AZ got yards with 5 minutes left. Haha.

YbeatsU

5:25pm

Despite what some fans think, BYU was still trying to get first downs at the end

CT98

5:34pm

As long as we could do it without throwing a pass.

thirdgencoug

5:47pm

BYU has spent on average half the game in burn clock mode not score urgency mode

NYC and Japan

3:35pm

I've been critical of the offense and I'll admit they've been better than I

CameronG

3:58pm

In terms of talent, he might be right. In terms of performance & discipline, though? No way are we that bad.

SinkingQuffa

4:05pm

It's fair to criticize BYU's 3rd down conversion rate, but otherwise they have been solid if not stellar.

acadian8

4:07pm

Run O has struggled as well, which is largely to blame for our 3rd down %

Boring

4:32pm

For sure, hopefully now that Martin, Moa, and Rope-a-Tee are back that will improve a lot.

acadian8

5:18pm

Even 3rd down conversions is "off" because BYU goes for it so often on 4th.

Brandoblueblood

5:19pm

I'd like to see fewer 4th down attempts. Not because I'm opposed to going for it on 4th, but because it isn't required.

acadian8

5:28pm

we were not good at the beginning of the year. I’m OK with this because we have

HeyU

4:16pm

Everyone - BYU has the best Defense in the Big 12 McMurphy, but their offense...

ALC

4:42pm

Our O needs to step up and is our weakness. But still, we're 6-0. 🤷‍♂️

IronPotato

6:25pm

Some offensive drive numbers I have (if my numbers are correct):

Spiff

6:54pm

Excellent analysis, thanks!

acadian8

7:25pm

Tell me more about how awesome this defense is…. 🤣

Gandolfthewhite

7:23pm

Jeff Hansen refers to a stat that's "total available yards"

MaximusMeridius

8:26pm

Here's what I have. Based on the 69 drives I listed above, BYU could have gained 4,612 yards if every drive was a TD.

Spiff

8:29pm

60th. Pretty average

JuicyJam

8:30pm

Went back to my tracker and last year BYU had 10,511 yards available and gained 3,717 (or 35.4%).

Spiff

8:44pm

Interesting. Where'd you get that stat?

MaximusMeridius

9:14pm

RE: Interesting. Where'd you get that stat?

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