Who is arguing that last year’s defense was good enough? We’ve only argued that

Jul 9, 2024
11:21:48am

ldssdl All-American

there were some modest yet significant improvements in 2023 from 2022. Don’t change the goal posts just because the advanced stats don’t back your conclusions from your selection of stats.

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You know, it’s one thing to criticize citing 109th in total defense if you’re haggling over if it’s better/worse than

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

Jul 9, 9:57am

LOL at anyone that looks at yards per game for anything of value. Per drive

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:00am

Does yards per drive in 2023 push BYU into an entirely different category

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:04am

Yes it does. You should look at Defensive FEI (which takes into account how good

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:24am

Many people choose to ignore that Tuiaki had a tactic of limiting possessions

Huge Manatee

Jul 9, 10:29am

Tuiaki’s strategy was to play passive and hope the offense made a mistake.

Frankfromtheballpark

Jul 9, 12:44pm

If you’re 119th in 3rd down defense, if you’re 113th in yds/run allowed

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:30am

I didn't say anywhere that last year's defense was good. Just that it was MUCH

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:34am

That's more damning of the Kalani/Lamb/Tuiaki regime than anything else

CameronG

Jul 9, 10:39am

Who is arguing that last year’s defense was good enough? We’ve only argued that

ldssdl

Jul 9, 11:21am

Haha keep making up arguments to cover your ridiculously wrong statement.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:55am

And... our defense should be better this year compared to last year as per Jay

84 natlchamps

Jul 9, 1:25pm

I wouldn't say that our defense last year was above average however it was much better than the previous year. Also,

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 10:05am

And from the OP, that’s where analytics would have value in comparing BYU 2022 and 2023

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:08am

It'll be interesting to see what this year brings ... improvement, status quo, or decline.

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 10:09am

Improvement, as per Jay Hill. He seems pretty confident of that. A few

84 natlchamps

Jul 9, 1:31pm

I'm confident we'll see some improvement. I'd be happy with a defense ranked in the 40s by FEI and F+. Given that

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 1:37pm

2022 and 2023 weren't anywhere near each other. The difference is we had a top

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:31am

Again, I feel like you’re deliberately ignoring the main point of the OP

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:33am

What is your point?

kotacoug

Jul 9, 10:44am

He won't say because he got owned below.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:51am

You said: "I have yet to see any valid example of where a team who is 109th or

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:55am

And Indy disappears.....lol.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:51am

Our defense stats outcome had more to do with with who was playing and not the overall coaching

Coug

Jul 9, 10:20am

I don't know if this is common knowledge but since I have a tie to Weber State

CameronG

Jul 9, 10:44am

I mean that's been obvious

Coug

Jul 9, 11:13am

DFEI is really the only thing that really matters… what were those numbers?

kotacoug

Jul 9, 10:37am

From 2016 to 2023, DFEI ranks: 31, 69, 61, 68, 9, 85, 113, 54.

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:40am

100% - It baffles me how this board is so convinced Hill is the answer with so

Southpawn

Jul 9, 11:13am

Considering he took Weber State, a program that had done nothing and turned them

CameronG

Jul 9, 11:36am

There’s zero reason to write him off. However, there needs to be more positive results going forward

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 12:15pm

He wouldn't get poached off of last year,sure

stansburycoug

Jul 9, 12:45pm

Are you still doubling down on your bad Tuiaki take from a year ago by trying to say that Jay Hill wasn't an upgrade?

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Jul 9, 11:24am

Indy held on to Crowton longer than Crowton even did himself

kotacoug

Jul 9, 2:25pm

So if being #54 in DFEI is "a spot that isn't very good", what would you call

byubyu

Jul 9, 12:01pm

Great point.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 9, 4:58pm

Had no idea you were a tuiaki apologist. And I thought you were a stats guy.

Frankfromtheballpark

Jul 9, 12:49pm

You know, it's one thing to criticize a defense for being 109th total defense

here's to hoping

Jul 9, 6:52pm

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