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Jul 9, 2024
10:55:05am

rcbyufan All-American

You said: "I have yet to see any valid example of where a team who is 109th or

worse in yards allowed per game was demonstrated to be an above-average defense using advanced analytics."

BYU was 54th in Defensive FEI last year which is above average.

Nobody should ever use total defense ranking for anything. It's almost meaningless.

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You know, it’s one thing to criticize citing 109th in total defense if you’re haggling over if it’s better/worse than

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

Jul 9, 9:57am

LOL at anyone that looks at yards per game for anything of value. Per drive

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:00am

Does yards per drive in 2023 push BYU into an entirely different category

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:04am

Yes it does. You should look at Defensive FEI (which takes into account how good

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:24am

Many people choose to ignore that Tuiaki had a tactic of limiting possessions

Jul 9, 10:29am

Tuiaki’s strategy was to play passive and hope the offense made a mistake.

Frankfromtheballpark

Jul 9, 12:44pm

If you’re 119th in 3rd down defense, if you’re 113th in yds/run allowed

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:30am

I didn't say anywhere that last year's defense was good. Just that it was MUCH

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:34am

That's more damning of the Kalani/Lamb/Tuiaki regime than anything else

CameronG

Jul 9, 10:39am

Who is arguing that last year’s defense was good enough? We’ve only argued that

ldssdl

Jul 9, 11:21am

Haha keep making up arguments to cover your ridiculously wrong statement.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:55am

And... our defense should be better this year compared to last year as per Jay

Jul 9, 1:25pm

I wouldn't say that our defense last year was above average however it was much better than the previous year. Also,

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 10:05am

And from the OP, that’s where analytics would have value in comparing BYU 2022 and 2023

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:08am

It'll be interesting to see what this year brings ... improvement, status quo, or decline.

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 10:09am

Improvement, as per Jay Hill. He seems pretty confident of that. A few

Jul 9, 1:31pm

I'm confident we'll see some improvement. I'd be happy with a defense ranked in the 40s by FEI and F+. Given that

ManicBlue

Jul 9, 1:37pm

2022 and 2023 weren't anywhere near each other. The difference is we had a top

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:31am

Again, I feel like you’re deliberately ignoring the main point of the OP

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 10:33am

What is your point?

kotacoug

Jul 9, 10:44am

He won't say because he got owned below.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:51am

You said: "I have yet to see any valid example of where a team who is 109th or

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:55am

And Indy disappears.....lol.

byubyu

Jul 9, 11:51am

Our defense stats outcome had more to do with with who was playing and not the overall coaching

Coug

Jul 9, 10:20am

I don't know if this is common knowledge but since I have a tie to Weber State

CameronG

Jul 9, 10:44am

I mean that's been obvious

Coug

Jul 9, 11:13am

DFEI is really the only thing that really matters… what were those numbers?

kotacoug

Jul 9, 10:37am

From 2016 to 2023, DFEI ranks: 31, 69, 61, 68, 9, 85, 113, 54.

rcbyufan

Jul 9, 10:40am

100% - It baffles me how this board is so convinced Hill is the answer with so

Southpawn

Jul 9, 11:13am

Considering he took Weber State, a program that had done nothing and turned them

CameronG

Jul 9, 11:36am

There’s zero reason to write him off. However, there needs to be more positive results going forward

Indy Coug

Jul 9, 12:15pm

He wouldn't get poached off of last year,sure

stansburycoug

Jul 9, 12:45pm

Are you still doubling down on your bad Tuiaki take from a year ago by trying to say that Jay Hill wasn't an upgrade?

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Jul 9, 11:24am

Indy held on to Crowton longer than Crowton even did himself

kotacoug

Jul 9, 2:25pm

So if being #54 in DFEI is "a spot that isn't very good", what would you call

byubyu

Jul 9, 12:01pm

Great point.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 9, 4:58pm

Had no idea you were a tuiaki apologist. And I thought you were a stats guy.

Frankfromtheballpark

Jul 9, 12:49pm

You know, it's one thing to criticize a defense for being 109th total defense

here's to hoping

Jul 9, 6:52pm

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