Both points can be true that the 2020 & 2021 teams were stacked

Jun 9, 2024
8:12:53am

gopman Troublemaker

with talent (yes I can credit Kalani for that) AND those talented teams greatly benefited thanks to covid (soft schedule in 2020 & PAC12 teams were "recovering" in 2021).

Take away the 2020 & 2021 seasons & Kalani is 40-37 for the record. Not good.

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Holmoe's in a tough situation with the FB team...

lbmango

Jun 8, 5:42pm

covid year got Kalani a lot of money

TNT

Jun 8, 5:42pm

Zach Wilson also

Zerigke Ally Zerigke

Jun 8, 7:36pm

Covid schedule and the incorrect interpretation of those wins

Blue2thebone

Jun 8, 11:41pm

That was his point I suspect.

FootBackwards

Jun 9, 12:09am

Yes,many don’t see it that way though. They think it was one of the greatest team seasons in BYU history.

Blue2thebone

Jun 9, 12:15am

The team had an NFL starting backfield

donnerstag

Jun 9, 3:39am

Both points can be true that the 2020 & 2021 teams were stacked

gopman

Jun 9, 8:12am

It can also be true that Kalani was building towards 2020-21

donnerstag

Jun 9, 8:57am

This all-time team that you’re talking about lost to some little program from coastal Carolina.

Blue2thebone

Jun 9, 9:05am

BYU got manhandled???

donnerstag

Jun 9, 12:34pm

Everybody’s got excuses

Blue2thebone

Jun 9, 2:54pm

We can do both. We can exclude the covid seasons to show

gopman

Jun 9, 9:08am

Then exclude the 2017 season too, because Kalani inherited a historically bad

donnerstag

Jun 9, 12:36pm

it’s not even that big of an asterisk. every year there are teams with schedules

FieroCoug

Jun 9, 11:56am

And yet almost the same group of guys went 6-1 vs P5s the next year

puntersarepeople

Jun 9, 12:04pm

BYU will give Sitake a long leash for the first few years in the Big 12. Good

hebercreeper

Jun 8, 5:44pm

He’s on a short leash.

Mathew

Jun 8, 6:21pm

So how many wins this year to save his job?

hebercreeper

Jun 8, 6:24pm

Bowl eligible. He brought in one specific coach

Mathew

Jun 8, 6:28pm

I’d be surprised if he’s gone at 5-7. We could certainly find out though. Not an

hebercreeper

Jun 8, 6:32pm

I can see where Tom gives him one more year if it's 5-7 but Kalani's

gopman

Jun 8, 7:22pm

Do you know something? Or conjecture?

Dr MoBYU

Jun 9, 10:47am

Agree. Been clear to me this was the case since BYU was admitted to the B12 3

Forzaitalia

Jun 8, 11:16pm

“Bronco is the second winningest coach at BYU and way too many fans wanted him”

44C

Jun 9, 7:14am

Bronco is a great fix-it coach but won't take a program to championship levels.

Forzaitalia

Jun 9, 1:04pm

Same with KS except the fix-it part

CougarMandias

Jun 9, 2:56pm

BYU smoked Bronco’s team while it had all the disadvantages of independence.

Thrill

Jun 9, 9:57pm

The divide between Lavell and all the rest is large.

VenomFarmer

Jun 9, 11:51pm

Bronco is elite. I loved when he was at BYU. I hoped he would stay on

EDthoracotomy

Jun 10, 7:19am

Bronco is elite at what?

donnerstag

Jun 10, 7:24am

Go rewatch the Crowton years. Bronco made BYU a winning team.

EDthoracotomy

Jun 10, 7:45am

So he was responsible for the high-power offense?

OldFogey

Jun 10, 7:49am

BYU from 06-09 was elite on offense.

EDthoracotomy

Jun 10, 8:15am

Bronco is a very good coach and gets credit for turning around the culture

donnerstag

Jun 10, 7:56am

Bronco has shown he can flip any program and make them a winner.

EDthoracotomy

Jun 10, 8:14am

So much better than kalani

Blue2thebone

Jun 10, 8:15am

Fire another TE coach. Problem solved

Longseason

Jun 8, 5:44pm

Well he will get rid of ARod if he needs to

TNT

Jun 8, 5:47pm

Tbf the TEs were getting worse

puntersarepeople

Jun 8, 6:59pm

KS isn't suddenly going to be a different coach; after 8 years it's pretty clear

Hinta

Jun 8, 5:46pm

Yep some on here continue to give him a pass. TNT doesn't get it. Like women

TNT

Jun 8, 5:47pm

It's because Kalani is Polynesian & likable. There. I said it.

gopman

Jun 8, 7:27pm

Well when you are getting paid that much money......

TNT

Jun 8, 7:59pm

Not sure, but you seem to infer being Poly is part of the problem. I hope that

NYC and Japan

Jun 9, 8:26am

Kalani being Polynesian isn't the problem. Kalani being a mediocre

gopman

Jun 9, 9:17am

TNT, let’s get serious for a moment.

Royalblueglasses

Jun 9, 8:31am

Unfortunately that is true. In the past 20+ years…

LateToTheGame

Jun 8, 7:48pm

Yup, after a long enough period we need to accept the results and trend.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jun 8, 8:04pm

This narrative is so old, and so wrong.

OldFogey

Jun 8, 9:02pm

What's wrong about it?

Les IsMore

Jun 8, 9:08pm

What's right about it?

OldFogey

Jun 8, 10:16pm

That KS has his struggles. Just like everyone. He is an avg coach in BIG12.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jun 8, 10:46pm

I wish he were an average coach in the B12. I would take that.

Dr T-bone

Jun 9, 2:39pm

You are conflating conference and non conference wins. Don’t do that, Kalani is

cougsareforreal

Jun 10, 5:05am

Sorry, but he's just not the poor coach you wish him to be...

OldFogey

Jun 10, 7:47am

What metric do you have to state that? He wins against power teams better than

cougsareforreal

Jun 10, 7:58am

I've thought about it, and you're right. He's the worst

OldFogey

Jun 10, 8:31am

KS overall performance validates what Hinta is saying. We have...

LateToTheGame

Jun 10, 3:55pm

I know....that's your narrative, and you stick to it well. Bless your heart

OldFogey

Jun 10, 5:04pm

I have no idea what he’ll do, but I’m sure Holmoe has a contingency plan …

BluesBrother

Jun 8, 5:49pm

He did with Pope

Stucoug83

Jun 8, 5:55pm

That’s what we’re all hoping.

BluesBrother

Jun 8, 6:03pm

I think he is hoping for a much better than expected result, PERIOD. I'm sure

byusage

Jun 8, 5:54pm

5-7 is not ok, 6-6 is not good.

coolblue

Jun 8, 6:48pm

I concur. My how the bar has been lowered. Back when LaVell would

gopman

Jun 8, 7:28pm

May depend on recruiting and margin of victory

puntersarepeople

Jun 8, 7:00pm

5-7 would be way worse than 2-10

bythenumbers

Jun 8, 7:30pm

I get ya. It just feels like we're just "dragging this thing along" with

gopman

Jun 8, 7:33pm

Wait to see what happens first.

ManicBlue

Jun 8, 7:31pm

Unknown, but certainly TH has a good list of people he'd call immediately. Also,

BlueTooth

Jun 8, 7:38pm

Is it possible our next HC comes from the NFL?

BlueDiver

Jun 8, 7:45pm

With P4/Ryan Smith money Darrell Bevell & Kellen Moore are

gopman

Jun 8, 7:50pm

I used to be a huge Kalani fan, but his inability to look beyond friendships and

WabiSabi

Jun 8, 7:52pm

Losing record and Kalani is gone IMO.

dYrtbYkerYder

Jun 8, 8:42pm

I am always shocked how many BYU fans still support KS…

rmarkerm

Jun 8, 8:43pm

40-37 record without the covid seasons of 2020 & 2021.

gopman

Jun 8, 10:21pm

Versus an average SOS.

Forzaitalia

Jun 8, 10:38pm

This is the stupidest argument to take away his 2 best seasons

donnerstag

Jun 9, 3:35am

I can give credit for Kalani building those teams AND also make the

gopman

Jun 9, 8:24am

Got one simple reply…4th & 19 from your own end zone.

rmarkerm

Jun 9, 11:25am

That's what you hang your hat on? That is hilarious

OldFogey

Jun 10, 9:36am

Sub .500 if you remove the FCS games & 2020/2021

BYU Fan

Jun 9, 9:44pm

If it’s a dumpster fire then he’s gone, if it’s 5 or more wins he’ll get 2025.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jun 8, 8:52pm

4-8 and he stays, too.

Forzaitalia

Jun 8, 10:39pm

I could see 4 wins putting him on a hot seat and giving him one more year.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jun 8, 10:48pm

4 wins shows that the program is regressing & that Kalani has lost

gopman

Jun 9, 8:27am

Kalani is playing to keep his job this year... He makes a bowl, he continues on...

Coug

Jun 8, 8:56pm

A Rod will be fired

runningryan

Jun 8, 9:01pm

When is that not the case?

Les IsMore

Jun 8, 9:06pm

Holmoe will retire at the end of the season and leave it up to a new AD to hire

BYUFBDAD

Jun 8, 9:13pm

What makes you an expert on when he wants to retire?

Croweater

Jun 8, 10:00pm

Wait, what? This is the first I’m hearing of this. I’m not connected at all but

Lalau

Jun 8, 10:04pm

Reality: LaVell succeeded in the WAC/MWC because he was ahead of the game. Bama,

SwampyCoug

Jun 8, 10:00pm

Exactly, you are right about KW, Ute fans were crazy to mention firing him.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jun 8, 10:53pm

Of course TH wants at least 6-6. If KS fails, he has failed. Plus firing a nice

Forzaitalia

Jun 8, 10:17pm

I agree. I’m irritated at what appears, at least to many of us die hard fans,

Blue chunks

Jun 9, 6:04am

Agreed. BYU will always be slow to fire a good rep of BYU absent a scandal or

Forzaitalia

Jun 9, 9:53am

Pressure? IDK, just seems like he's checked out to me. He's letting a dude

Mitty

Jun 8, 10:19pm

Clearly you have a long list of much better HC candidates that TH should have

NYC and Japan

Jun 9, 8:39am

Holmoe doesn't make choices about the OC or other Offensive coaches.

TheLoneCougar

Jun 9, 8:15am

There will be a ton of injuries again

BYU Fan

Jun 9, 8:37am

if 6-6 is overachieving, then we don't have the correct coaching staff in place.

Spiff

Jun 9, 12:07pm

Listen to CB. 500 is just fine w/them. Getting paid $3M/yr at 1 of largest pri-

Forzaitalia

Jun 10, 8:24am

TCU and Utah had a combined 3 losing seasons in their first years as P5

NYC and Japan

Jun 10, 4:45pm

I’m sorry we’ve had years to prep for B12, we need a bowl game

aaronmania

Jun 9, 12:29pm

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BigHouse Coug

Jun 9, 1:03pm

6-6 or better.

BlueFever

Jun 9, 2:01pm

I don't think anyone secretly hopes for a much worse record.

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