Unlike Kalani LaVell knew his X's & O's (revolutionized the game

Dec 3, 2023
6:19:49pm

gopman All-American

with the passing attack) & was good at management (hiring the right people). LaVell literally built the program from the ground up.

Kalani seems out of his league.

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It’s official. Grimes is back.

stev All-American

12/3/23 5:41pm

How is it official? No link?

cougaman

12/3/23 5:42pm

By the mouth of two or three witnesses.

stev

12/3/23 5:50pm

Well which is it? Two or three?

TNT

12/3/23 6:11pm

I’m not sure you understand what the word official means

CommodoreCoug

12/3/23 8:35pm

How is it official? And in what capacity?

cougarfann888

12/3/23 5:43pm

Home run hire IMO.

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:43pm

Is it just ol coach? If so I agree.

cougarfann888

12/3/23 5:44pm

Yes. Likely has a AHC title as well to pay him more. Grimes and Arod are a

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:46pm

Doesnt hill have that title right now?

cougarfann888

12/3/23 5:48pm

Yes. They will both have it

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:49pm

Is the talk at least

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:49pm

Polygamous coaching

BluePie

12/3/23 7:50pm

Know your heritage

TailgateU

12/3/23 9:25pm

Guess there can be two?

Warner

12/3/23 5:49pm

Sure. One on charge of offense, one in charge of defense

cougaman

12/3/23 5:58pm

Kalani offering AHC positions

Julius Pepperwood

12/3/23 7:15pm

As long as they understand and are happy with their roles, titles don’t matter.

Shawarma

12/3/23 8:47pm

Anything goes in order to prop up the puppet head coach.

sheza65

12/3/23 8:49pm

Many teams have 2

kahuna

12/3/23 7:37pm

Assistant to the head coach

Swish

12/3/23 7:47pm

It's weird a position coach reports to the HC rather than the OC. That seems fraught with dysfunction

CLCougar

12/3/23 6:00pm

It may be more of a CO-OCs deal in practice

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 6:09pm

This is essentially what it was in 2020. Grimes is not the best play caller.

Cougs2012

12/3/23 6:11pm

True but Grimes was the official OC back then. ARod was promoted when he left. Weird dynamics imo

CLCougar

12/3/23 6:12pm

Fair. I think/hope the group hopes it just goes back to how it was in 2020

Cougs2012

12/3/23 6:17pm

It all depends on humility

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 6:20pm

ARod or Grimey or both? It's just seems a dysfunctional arrangement imo...

CLCougar

12/3/23 6:26pm

Both.

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 6:27pm

It’s probably only confusing to us on the outside.

Shawarma

12/3/23 8:50pm

RE: This is essentially what it was in 2020. Grimes is not the best play caller.

VACOUGFAN

12/3/23 7:13pm

Grimes may well be the run game Coordinator but not play caller.

kahuna

12/3/23 7:40pm

Mark Atuaia is RB coach and AHC at WSU. Same thing.

jlhazlewood

12/3/23 8:24pm

RE: It's weird a position coach reports to the HC rather than the OC. That

DawgHaus

12/3/23 8:27pm

Sounds too confusing.

Forzaitalia

12/4/23 12:53pm

we need to try something new. kalani going after the lowest hanging fruit.

Deleted

12/3/23 5:45pm

what a silly take

Moab Rising

12/3/23 5:50pm

A guy that has proven to be an elite oline coach

whoneedscorners?

12/3/23 5:52pm

We need new blood at some point.

Deleted

12/3/23 5:52pm

I'd rather old and proven over new blood any day.

Jesse Pinkman

12/3/23 5:55pm

They don't need "new blood" at the OL coaching position

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 5:57pm

You don’t. Especially when they’re proven

whoneedscorners?

12/3/23 5:57pm

Agreed. Oh you're not talking about CB posters. Sorry. You're wrong.......

StarMan

12/3/23 6:10pm

Hate to break it to you… Funk was as new blood as you can get.

Reasonable1

12/3/23 6:55pm

I mean last time we had Grimes and ARod BYU had it's best three years of offense

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 5:54pm

Grimes is not even close to low hanging fruit.

kahuna

12/3/23 7:55pm

Meh. Triple-retread

HuskerFan2

12/3/23 5:46pm

And how were our O-lines during those treads?

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:47pm

Pretty farking good bob

All-American

12/3/23 7:27pm

As an OL coach plus management responsibilities… not a bad hire imo

kotacoug

12/3/23 5:47pm

Not a bad hire for the OL. Very safe.

HuskerFan2

12/3/23 5:53pm

We’ll ya that’s a given with KS

kotacoug

12/3/23 5:53pm

So your argument is you want change for the sake of change?

whoneedscorners?

12/3/23 5:54pm

The quote from BYU was that they were going to be "very ambitious" in who they hire.

HuskerFan2

12/3/23 7:19pm

Given the fact Grimes could coach OL at the vast majority of P5s, yes

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 7:25pm

Grimes was an OL coach at LSU when they were competing for

whoneedscorners?

12/3/23 7:48pm

^^this^^ homerun hire. People are delirious thinking taking wild risks

Big Daddy D

12/3/23 9:17pm

Well… by most any school’s standards, hiring a multi year P4 OC as OL coach is

NYC and Japan

12/3/23 9:28pm

Not acceptable. It needed to be a P4 HC 😉

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 9:31pm

He didn’t forget how to coach O line or to be the “bad guy” that KS can’t do!!

truecougster

12/3/23 7:58pm

BYU line has not been better the last 20 years than when Grimes was coach.

idcougarfan

12/3/23 5:45pm

Yep. Was o-line coach at LSU as well. The guy is really good. Would be awesome

Stucoug83

12/3/23 5:55pm

And probably not been better in the run game for any appreciable amount of time

cajuncoug

12/3/23 7:58pm

RE: It’s official. Grimes is back.

cougXor

12/3/23 5:45pm

OL coach plus Associate HC? If so that’s a slam dunk for an OL hire. Plus KS

kotacoug

12/3/23 5:46pm

Bingo. have accountability coaches on both sides of the ball now, Hill n grimes

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:48pm

Desperately needed since Kalani wants to be every player's "friend".

gopman

12/3/23 6:15pm

The guy can't even utilize his main strength without being ridiculed.

Polecat

12/3/23 6:28pm

Ok Sister Sitake.

gopman

12/3/23 6:41pm

It doesn't take the blind love of a family member to see guys like you

Polecat

12/3/23 6:54pm

That right there is a terrible excuse for a HC. He needs other dudes to hold

Mathew

12/3/23 5:51pm

Umm I am 100% not a KS guy. He’s a terrible program manager but it is

kotacoug

12/3/23 5:55pm

You realize this is how Lavell did it too right?

Cougs2012

12/3/23 6:06pm

Yeah, but he looked pissed all the time.

Mathew

12/3/23 6:12pm

Unlike Kalani LaVell knew his X's & O's (revolutionized the game

gopman

12/3/23 6:19pm

LaVell *hired* someone to implement and run the passing attack.

Polecat

12/3/23 6:30pm

Yeah. Doug Scovil should get the cred for BYU’s offense.

Mathew

12/3/23 6:32pm

LaVell still knew his X's & O's. There were reports LaVell would meet with

gopman

12/3/23 6:44pm

I guarantee Kalani does too. He's been a coordinator for a serious defense. H

Polecat

12/3/23 6:50pm

Of course he did. He had front row seats to watch Scovil work his magic in a

Mathew

12/3/23 7:00pm

That is not even close to being true!

MadHawaiian

12/3/23 7:34pm

I concur with you. It's aggravating that Kalani is more of a "figurehead"

gopman

12/3/23 6:16pm

Yeah, it's terrible for a head coach to realize he has a weakness and try to fix

Cougzilla

12/3/23 6:34pm

Lavell was a players coach.

EDthoracotomy

12/3/23 7:24pm

Every leader of a major organization has weaknesses. Being successful requires

NYC and Japan

12/3/23 9:32pm

Truth

RUNBYU1

12/4/23 12:23am

It is TH fault we still have a dysfunctional HC. Hill for HC and DC now Tom.

fan32

12/3/23 7:36pm

Got a link for us?

DavisCoCoug

12/3/23 5:49pm

#sources

Cougs2012

12/3/23 5:50pm

You said it’s “official”

Dan

12/3/23 5:52pm

I would be thrilled no matter what his title. Elite o line does wonders

climps

12/3/23 5:57pm

Now BYU just has to recruit better. Not sure that will happen

TNT

12/3/23 6:12pm

Grimes is a very capable recruiter. Excited to see what kids he can get from

puntersarepeople

12/3/23 6:22pm

Worried about some of the people above him

TNT

12/3/23 6:30pm

I heard that ARod and Grimes didn't get along... But that's just rumors.

tamasiaina

12/3/23 6:37pm

Time to kiss and make up. We need the best coaches.

Stucoug83

12/3/23 7:23pm

Can those two do that at BYU?

TNT

12/3/23 7:25pm

Clearly that's not a problem if Grimes is indeed coming back

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/3/23 7:47pm

ARod doesnt have the luxury to complain about his co-workers

Iki_Balam

12/3/23 8:59pm

My only gripe is that he has already bailed on us twice. Kinda bugs me

Croweater

12/3/23 7:37pm

I don’t have a problem that someone was wanted for a larger position, and

cougaman

12/3/23 7:39pm

We can only expect a head coach to stay long term

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/3/23 7:56pm

This. When the o-line starts performing well will he be out the door?

DazeofBlue

12/3/23 8:00pm

If he gets offered another P5 OC position, do you expect him to stay?

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/3/23 8:03pm

Yeah, that would suck, I prefer to have coaches that don’t have success.

cougaman

12/3/23 8:05pm

I understand but if he is just a revolving door how does that help us?

DazeofBlue

12/3/23 8:14pm

Ok problem solved: hire a sucky coach, nobody else will offer him

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/3/23 9:11pm

Or you can write a contract that gives him reason to stay

DazeofBlue

12/4/23 8:58am

Lol ..you're arguing that we should make our O line coaching position

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/4/23 11:56am

Read better.

DazeofBlue

12/4/23 7:55pm

You literally just said to write a contract to give him bonuses based on

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/4/23 9:43pm

RE: This. When the o-line starts performing well will he be out the door?

DawgHaus

12/3/23 8:16pm

Shhhhhhhhhhh dont tell this guy about other successful P4 OC/DC coaches!

Iki_Balam

12/3/23 9:00pm

Better than the guys who BYU usually hires. When they leave it’s because they

OKchief

12/3/23 10:17pm

As what kind of coach?

Forzaitalia

12/3/23 8:18pm

College football assistant…

Refugee

12/3/23 8:30pm

Football

stev

12/3/23 9:59pm

That's it??1 Somebody just throws a statement against the wall and the whole

Jasbo

12/3/23 8:59pm

It’s not one guy. Multiple people.

Cougs2012

12/3/23 9:09pm

You don’t think there are people on here with insider knowledge? Plus FO posts

eysikal

12/3/23 9:58pm

According to DN they "interviewed" him, so that means he's hired??

Jasbo

12/4/23 2:25pm

I hope Grimes is back. Have not seen any news sources confirming it.

DawgHaus

12/3/23 9:46pm

It’s official when it’s announced

pappabear246

12/4/23 1:00am

What happened?

eysikal

12/7/23 12:27pm

RE: It’s official. Grimes is back.

BYU Grounds

12/7/23 12:35pm

Whoever your source was, fire them.

DazeofBlue

12/7/23 3:42pm

RE: Whoever your source was, fire them.

stev

12/7/23 11:05pm

Someone got a bit excited with the premature use of "official"

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/7/23 4:22pm

RE: Someone got a bit excited with the premature use of "official"

stev

12/7/23 11:06pm

TJ better be good. Need a mean SOB leading those guys.

EDthoracotomy

12/8/23 8:58am

What exactly is the "deal he couldn't refuse" about Kansas?

Iki_Balam

12/8/23 10:03pm

Uhh...a higher position title and more money than BYU

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

12/8/23 10:09pm

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