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Sep 23, 2022
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Sandy Lyle
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He took a lot of snaps from other guys who wanted to be on the team
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Straight from the mouth of Dennis Pitta himself...
canndyman
9/23/22 4:16pm
Holker quitting was a loser move, but I'd rather BYU utilize more TE routes, especially if the running games < 3ypc
Bert609
9/23/22 4:19pm
Quiting 3 games in is pathetic...
canndyman
9/23/22 4:29pm
He had to quit now otherwise he loses a year of eligibility.
Parker Schnabel
9/23/22 4:40pm
He’s too old to play 2 more years elsewhere and still hope to make it in the NFL
KingDave
9/23/22 4:46pm
You’re talking to a wall man. There’s no such thing as quitting to preserve eligibility for a bunch of CBers..
greatbam
9/23/22 7:24pm
not true. he could've played one more game and still red-shirted
icecougar
9/23/22 8:02pm
And you think people here would have reacted much better if he transferred after 4?
krindorr
9/23/22 11:54pm
BOO HOO....
BYU4eVeR
9/23/22 8:39pm
I'd be willing to be called a loser on CB for a better chance to play in the NFL
Shore10
9/23/22 5:16pm
We’ll see if he sticks. I’m betting against. If he does, good for him. But he
gwalker
9/23/22 5:33pm
I just don't see how leaving gets him better draft prospects
JuicyJam
9/23/22 6:19pm
He leaves for a scheme that utilizes TE more. That gets him higher draft stock.
Shore10
9/23/22 7:09pm
Do you think calling Holker a ‘loser’ wins points w/ current/prospective players
BYU'01
9/23/22 7:54pm
BYU “underutilized” the TEs last year too. This wasn’t a dramatic change.
DieHarder
9/23/22 4:20pm
Maybe he was told more balls would be thrown to tight ends this year?
bluelands
9/23/22 4:23pm
If so, three games isn’t much of a sample size to decide that wasn’t the case.
DieHarder
9/23/22 4:29pm
For him it was since he is going to redshirt
bluelands
9/23/22 4:30pm
I understand that was his logic behind his decision.
DieHarder
9/23/22 4:32pm
It’s a pretty good sample size when your 2 best receivers are out
pappabear246
9/23/22 8:32pm
They have been tho. Usage has gone up from 18 the past two years to 24% this year
Rat
9/23/22 4:29pm
Watch the games
stansburycoug
9/23/22 5:13pm
Is this to prove the point that the TE’s aren’t getting targeted or that Holker wasn’t being targeted? You can get upset
Rat
9/23/22 5:26pm
Rex actually moreso than Holker
stansburycoug
9/23/22 5:28pm
And you don’t hear him complaining. I think i’d rather have a Rex on my team more focused on doing what it takes to win
Rat
9/23/22 5:30pm
Im a fan. Complaining or not, minus Puka and Gunner I think it was a mistake
stansburycoug
9/23/22 5:38pm
No one is bagging on Holker's talent, it's his head and heart.
akbarishiwatsu
9/23/22 5:49pm
Blame himself.... He has to get OPEN to get thrown too.....
BYU4eVeR
9/23/22 8:48pm
Obvious you dont get what being the 3rd read is
stansburycoug
9/23/22 10:03pm
if you are the third best option that is what usually happens
Phreddy
9/24/22 12:15am
If Hall has to worry about certain guys getting throws instead of just winning
Belboz
9/23/22 4:59pm
I don't disagree...
canndyman
9/23/22 4:29pm
Last year for sure. This year, not convinced.
JuicyJam
9/23/22 4:34pm
Gonna keep playing that line to the end then. Who knows what happened behind the scenes? Maybe the coaches told him..
greatbam
9/23/22 7:27pm
The main problem isn't whether or not BYU underutilizes them...it's the timing
westsidecoug
9/23/22 4:22pm
How did he screw the team over?
bluelands
9/23/22 4:25pm
He was voted a co captain and bailed on his team mid season. There is that.
AZPTCOUG
9/23/22 4:26pm
That is certainly a bad look on him. Don't see how it hurts the team
bluelands
9/23/22 4:28pm
BYU only has so many scholarships
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
9/23/22 4:31pm
This is such garbage
bluelands
9/23/22 5:04pm
It’s not the whole reason but it’s definitely one of many reasons fans are upset
KingDave
9/23/22 5:06pm
Isn’t Built paying for everyone not on scholarship anyway? Honest question, I
kos
9/23/22 5:17pm
You’re right. I wonder if walk ons get all the additional benefits that schollie players do.
KingDave
9/23/22 5:27pm
There’s more than that but you aren’t satisfied by anything I guess
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
9/23/22 5:16pm
or is it the other way around? you aren't satisfied with any reason to not be
ColonelMustard
9/23/22 7:43pm
RE: or is it the other way around? you aren't satisfied with any reason to not
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
9/24/22 8:33am
Have you ever been a part of a team? Sports teams. Not like a debate team.
Phreddy
9/23/22 6:38pm
RE: This is such garbage
royalbluemenace
9/24/22 9:36am
Never heard of that guy.
AZPTCOUG
9/23/22 4:31pm
You don’t see how losing a starting TE/team captain hurts the team?
Metallicat
9/23/22 4:32pm
Rex is the starter
bluelands
9/23/22 5:05pm
And didn't Holker have more catches than him?
byusage
9/23/22 5:21pm
Not according to the depth chart.
Metallicat
9/23/22 9:08pm
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Metallicat
9/23/22 9:06pm
Starting captains on teams typically don't leave their team after 3 games.
westsidecoug
9/23/22 4:28pm
He took a lot of snaps from other guys who wanted to be on the team
Sandy Lyle
9/23/22 4:35pm
And a scholarship. Both things would have helped the team to have w/o him.
Soupie
9/23/22 5:29pm
RE: How did he screw the team over?
valcorger
9/23/22 4:51pm
You’re wasting your time. These “experts” have already declared Holker the jerk and they seem to blind to see it..
greatbam
9/23/22 7:32pm
I was loyal until I cheated, no one should be mad since I was loyal b4 that lol
GigantorCat
9/23/22 7:57pm
RE : “Previously loyal” : Nitpick at my wording all you want. Kitty cat. Is that all you guys got?
greatbam
9/24/22 12:39pm
previously loyal?!?! Bwahahaha.
westsidecoug
9/23/22 9:10pm
Previously loyal is the key phrase
Phreddy
9/24/22 12:08am
I agree. I don't understand why we arent
Goliath
9/23/22 4:22pm
BYU will be better offensively after the transfer, IMO. I think this will be
rcbyufan
9/23/22 4:22pm
Yep having Roberts, Puka, Rex, and Romney on the field at once will be great.
shamc
9/23/22 4:26pm
You heard of the RPO? The Grimes RVO? What about the RPR^2 offense?
AZPTCOUG
9/23/22 4:28pm
This could actually be part of it. Quite a few posters have hinted that there's more to it than we know
krindorr
9/23/22 11:59pm
But if that was the case why would Arod be surprised and gutted?? Interesting
Phreddy
9/24/22 12:21am
Holker was open at the end of the Oregon game because they were in a prevent D.
JAGA97
9/23/22 4:23pm
This is correct
I'mBatman
9/23/22 4:31pm
“Underutilization of TEs” because we have had the best WR groups ever the last
LaVellIfIKnow
9/23/22 4:26pm
Yeah, but not in the last 2 games - they should've been a focal point
braddahmike
9/23/22 4:29pm
there's a thing called "depth"
molodyets
9/23/22 4:33pm
Or rephrased - where as a pass catcher do you rank Holker and Rex:
molodyets
9/23/22 4:37pm
You still have not explained to me why we wouldn't take from the 33 wasted run plays and trade them for TE routes.
Bert609
9/23/22 4:39pm
You have to run sometimes lol, it opens up the passing game
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
9/23/22 4:47pm
1. I don't owe you any explanation. 2. You want a different mix of run and pass. That is different than just adjusting
molodyets
9/23/22 4:48pm
Behind Puka and Gunner - both Rex & Holker would be right there
braddahmike
9/23/22 4:48pm
The OL has been horrendous in the run game. That's the #1 issue on offense and it's not close.
molodyets
9/23/22 4:50pm
Or, the opposing defense identified where the focal point “should” be and double-teamed/bracketed said focal-point.
valcorger
9/23/22 4:57pm
it isn't a utilization issue.
crazY
9/23/22 4:26pm
Dennis set records for TE usage. NCAA records for yards.
Cougarclaw
9/23/22 4:27pm
No one here is complaining about the WR core. We ran what, 33 times for 2.8ypc. 8 or 9 of those wasted run plays
Bert609
9/23/22 4:36pm
He's a TE & is of course going to be biased, but I think he's on to something
braddahmike
9/23/22 4:27pm
Or maybe our backup wide receivers are just THAT good that we don’t have to completely rely on the Tight ends. Shows
Rat
9/23/22 4:30pm
Run less, throw to TEs more
2FarGone
9/23/22 4:33pm
I mean you have to run sometimes. Have to keep the defense honest.
Rat
9/23/22 5:14pm
Not the case
Plato
9/23/22 5:38pm
Must not be watching the same games i am
Rat
9/23/22 7:48pm
With those guys out the defense could concentrate on the TE’s more…..
Phreddy
9/24/22 12:23am
I really like Dennis Pitta, I hope they plan to have him on the show more often
Zoobieman
9/23/22 4:27pm
Was it the exact same take? I’m not sure;)
CougGolf
9/23/22 4:28pm
It was pretty darn close...
canndyman
9/23/22 4:32pm
Pitta is reading the mind of people now. Wow, what a great skillset.
Archaea
9/23/22 4:32pm
Emphasis on "a little bit."
shoganai
9/23/22 4:34pm
That's somewhat true, but we have really good tight ends...
canndyman
9/23/22 4:37pm
I guess using a team that leads the league in tight end usage will help make
JAGA97
9/23/22 4:42pm
Your last paragraph is the beginning and end of the issue.
shoganai
9/23/22 4:44pm
RE : gripes : BC every player on the team deserves the same touches? Does everyone have the same work ethic and talent?
greatbam
9/23/22 8:02pm
Criddler and his guest (Cam Jenson? wasn't paying attention) basically said the
NYC and Japan
9/23/22 4:51pm
I still think it boils down to Hall doesn't like passing to the middle. He's a
mudpupper
9/23/22 4:54pm
*Throws a touchdown pass down the middle of the field to a TE* Everyone: “He doesn’t see the middle of the field and
Rat
9/23/22 5:15pm
The one knock on Jaren in prior years was he wasn't great at seeing and
Rhubarb
9/23/22 5:04pm
Holker is a junior
lukeskywalker
9/23/22 5:11pm
We are on pace for 82 TE completions this year total. Wouldn't that be the most
LeGrandBleu
9/23/22 5:15pm
Even before Holker left we we wondered why TE's were not utilized more
BYUFootballRocks1
9/23/22 5:16pm
You’re badly mistaken. First, BYU has a long history of great tight ends. Pitta
gwalker
9/23/22 5:32pm
We need to follow Wake’s example and roll with the guys that want to be here and
gwalker
9/23/22 5:41pm
Itula Mili was the other tight end that played on the same team as Chad Lewis.
84 natlchamps
9/23/22 5:44pm
Exactly. We had weapons. And those guys didn’t complain about getting their
gwalker
9/23/22 5:46pm
Is there a public statement that Holker himself made about not getting enough touches?
greatbam
9/23/22 8:05pm
Fair enough. But enough second hand sources saying that’s why he’s transferring.
gwalker
9/23/22 8:33pm
Laie boys! Represent.
gopman
9/23/22 5:55pm
96 imo had the most "well rounded" offense. Very
gopman
9/23/22 5:46pm
And Mark Atuaia. Sark had so many to throw to....
gopman
9/23/22 5:48pm
We have weapons this year too. Especially when Puka and Romney come back. Those
gwalker
9/23/22 5:54pm
Well said. I just wish we had an "explosive" tailback like Jenkins this year.
gopman
9/23/22 5:58pm
Wow, I had forgotten a lot of that. Lots of weapons there. Make the defense
84 natlchamps
9/23/22 5:57pm
I believe all ten of those guys caught at least
gopman
9/23/22 6:02pm
No one is saying he should have gotten fewer touches.
ProvoSpain
9/23/22 5:52pm
If he was an actual blocking threat he’d be open more.
gwalker
9/23/22 5:55pm
I've been yelling during the games to use the tight ends more. We have NFL cali
CT98
9/23/22 6:06pm
Everyone I know who is interested in BYU football said the exact same thing
Bullrider
9/23/22 6:09pm
The guys on the team are better evaluators of the team
BYU '80
9/23/22 6:13pm
Yeah bc CB “experts” know so much better.
greatbam
9/23/22 8:08pm
Read what I said. His team know better
BYU '80
9/23/22 8:31pm
So, a tight end is saying that the tight ends are underutilized? You don't say.
Mitty
9/23/22 6:28pm
Sounds like a biased opinion
Rat
9/23/22 7:48pm
Couldn’t be that the coaches might’ve messed up at all. Plenty of CBers have already assured me it’s all on Holker. /s
greatbam
9/23/22 7:18pm
i understand he was a co-captain and that he is bailing on his team, but what i
ColonelMustard
9/23/22 7:46pm
RE: i understand he was a co-captain and that he is bailing on his team, but
royalbluemenace
9/24/22 1:29am
Isn’t Built paying for everyone not on scholarship anyway?
kos
9/24/22 10:59am
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