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Jan 18, 2022
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reddead
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Pic taken earlier this morning, after exercising / walking around town and feeling my lungs get tight.
Division Bell
On again off again
1/18/22 12:07pm
Humblebrag….to say you live on the bench
FromCAtoUT
1/18/22 12:11pm
*grati-brag... been decades in the making, been here since my 20's.
Division Bell
1/18/22 12:12pm
weird thing to get triggered by
maxpowers
1/18/22 12:28pm
I forgot how high up the bench you live
Pete
1/18/22 12:11pm
I don’t get why Utahns put up with this. The outdoors is sort of your
Iman23
1/18/22 12:17pm
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Buffalo
1/18/22 12:19pm
A proposal is in the legislature to do away with public transit fares
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 12:22pm
Flatten the Wasatch Range. Then the wind would carry it away.
Shore10
1/18/22 12:24pm
This ^^^ is precisely what it would take. I don't understand how some people can't understand the role of geography.
Soupie
1/18/22 12:26pm
it's been this way forever yet every winter we hear about all the pollution
maxpowers
1/18/22 12:29pm
You'd prefer it stays this way?
Yiowa
1/18/22 12:31pm
no but what would you like to do that will change nature?
maxpowers
1/18/22 12:33pm
Utah has always had an issue. But it is significantly worse now.
Yiowa
1/18/22 12:35pm
Its actually significantly better than it was in the 70 and 80s. I don't know
johnnybyu
1/18/22 12:38pm
I've heard this from people who lived here 30-40 years ago
maxpowers
1/18/22 12:39pm
Right. What I meant by worse was before significant human pollution
Yiowa
1/18/22 12:45pm
100%. In Utah Valley the main culprits were Geneva Steel and the iron plant in South Provo. They are both gone now and
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 2:32pm
Fireplaces are used way less now
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 4:29pm
That power plant is gas-fired and quite clean. I remember one time we lost a seal on a battery on the coke plant. Within
Division Bell
1/18/22 4:34pm
Cleaner but still not ideal for a valley with inversions.
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 4:38pm
Understood. I wish we had more access to the power from IPP, but IIRC, most of that power is already sold to CA markets.
Division Bell
1/18/22 4:47pm
That was my understanding as well, sucks to deal with the primary pollution
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 4:50pm
Owned by LA
Nat Gas Man
1/18/22 4:57pm
I think it all goes to LA so that they can have electricity while pretending that they don’t have to burn coal in order
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 4:58pm
Isn’t the vast majority of what you see steam?
Soupie
1/18/22 5:53pm
Yes. I think it's the steam from the cooling process.
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 5:57pm
Yes but that doesn't mean it has low emissions. It is low compared to coal for
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 6:02pm
Yes, fireplaces are part of it. But that power plant is WAY less polluting than Geneva was. Pretty sure it’s a nat gas
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 4:56pm
40% to 60% depending on the type of pollution
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 6:10pm
The article I referenced below says it is much better now.
O Gaucho
1/18/22 12:39pm
There an old guy in our EQ that mentioned how this is nothing compared to what
tander123
1/18/22 4:29pm
Go back and read the talk from Pres Hinckley ~1990 where he talks about how every spring they had to scrub soot from the
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 5:00pm
Wind turbines in reverse
AggieWeekendCougar
1/18/22 12:58pm
Anyone hear the rumor that Gov. Bangerter actually proposed giant wind turbines
m0resn0w
1/18/22 1:19pm
Once the pumps were built, he had to keep those family members employed doing something.
Hank Rearden
1/18/22 1:23pm
Could be more of a reality than people think.
Shore10
1/18/22 6:04pm
This is the number one reason we'd never move to UT or SL counties. Air pollution. The kids are gone and two of them
lightmann
1/18/22 12:25pm
Honestly it's only a few weeks a year when there's a high pressure inversion. Gets exaggerated.
Soupie
1/18/22 12:28pm
It actually covers the entire state. Prolly best to stay away.
m0resn0w
1/18/22 12:48pm
Definitely.
Soupie
1/18/22 1:06pm
LOL. The only way to fix it is to not live in a valley. I'd love to send half
O Gaucho
1/18/22 12:27pm
Here is a good article from KSL that tells the history of inversions in Utah.
O Gaucho
1/18/22 12:31pm
While it does outline the issues to say that green energy is the reason is not
Nat Gas Man
1/18/22 1:04pm
Great write up. The last suggestion was your best.
Hank Rearden
1/18/22 1:24pm
I agree, and yet get laughed at every time I suggest changes.
runnincoug
1/18/22 12:34pm
It's too cold and the weather is too iffy for biking for a good 4 months...
reddead
1/18/22 12:46pm
It can be a lot of fun!
m0resn0w
1/18/22 12:50pm
lol
reddead
1/18/22 12:52pm
Did he say that? I don't think he did. He said we need safe biking
Yiowa
1/18/22 1:02pm
2nd paragraph stated a need to subsidize public transit/increase ridership
reddead
1/18/22 2:01pm
The data doesn't support your argument
runnincoug
1/18/22 1:22pm
Your big IF is the fly in the ointment
reddead
1/18/22 2:16pm
I think we actually are agreeing here. My point is to make the transit easier
runnincoug
1/18/22 2:25pm
Inversions have been around for centuries. The Paiutes that lived there even had a word for it.
SingleStrapBackpack
1/18/22 2:31pm
Paiutes didn’t live on the Wasatch front
Charles Darwin
1/18/22 4:31pm
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