Special teams got 1 of those turnovers. Our offense got another of those, but

Sep 21, 2021
1:37:06pm

Cougarbib Intervention Needed

Defense got 2, iirc. And our defense gets its share over the years.

These discussions often are oversimplified to where the wrong unit gets credit or blame.

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This has always been my issue with Tuiaki's defense:

nephicoug All-American

9/21/21 8:00am

Here's a visualization of BYU's trend in Total Havoc over the years:

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:02am

In fairness, FBS independents historically are bad at creating havoc. It’s just

DieHarder

9/21/21 8:04am

What is Havoc?

violetjazz

9/21/21 8:02am

Read this article:

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:03am

So…a big component is stealing offensive playcalling? That’s unfortunate.

maizecoug

9/21/21 8:11am

Lesser known X-man. Bother of Cyclops. Power to absorb ambient cosmic energy

Sir_Ten

9/21/21 8:06am

RE: What is Havoc?

mm73

9/21/21 12:42pm

A new mutant superhero?

scott715

9/21/21 1:45pm

A new strain of COVID?

ArcticKat

9/21/21 1:54pm

2018? This defense is not the D from 2018. I would wager that we aren't in that corner this year.

RoaroftheCougartails

9/21/21 8:03am

We aren't. We are much improved this year. Like I said, Kalani has said in interviews that they are focused on producing

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:04am

6 forced turnovers this year through 3 games… although one goes to the offense;)

Powerbait DPM

9/21/21 8:08am

The current strategy gives away yards, field position, and momentum. Importantly

Bluedomination

9/21/21 8:05am

Remember Bronco's "total disruption" mantra when he first came here as DC?

shoganai

9/21/21 8:06am

Ziggy only started like 4 games, right?

4thand19

9/21/21 9:27am

You're half right.

CougarThug

9/21/21 11:33am

A lot of that is not having the horses in the secondary to be able to create

SUAVO

9/21/21 8:07am

He had to have more horses at BYU than he did and NM?

Blue for Life

9/21/21 10:37am

NM?

SUAVO

9/21/21 10:45am

New Mexico, guess it is UNM? Sorry

Blue for Life

9/21/21 11:55am

He coached at New Mexico?

SUAVO

9/21/21 2:34pm

Yea Bronco did, he was the DC there. They brought him up and I was replying to

Blue for Life

9/21/21 3:11pm

Lol. You use a chart but not from this year, last year, or the year before that

Blueto

9/21/21 8:09am

The last one that was available. I wouldn't count last year considering who we played.

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:17am

Last year when we played 12 D1 teams? I bet you would have counted it if we

Blueto

9/21/21 8:24am

Most of those teams are teams we'll probably never play again - that we only played because it's all we could get

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:26am

Ok, here you go. BYU had 117 havoc plays out of 793 total defensive plays, or 14.8% - below the national average

nephicoug

9/21/21 8:29am

Um, Houston and UCF are literally joining the B12 with us. BSU and SDSU are

Blueto

9/21/21 9:35am

My issue with Yners that fail to see that Tuiaki has defenses ranked higher than

Cougarbib

9/21/21 10:29am

Nephicoug isn't wrong though.

dwhitebud

9/21/21 10:35am

He finds a way to get it done every year and nearly every game. It depends on

Cougarbib

9/21/21 10:38am

He has done a great job the last 3 years.

dwhitebud

9/21/21 10:40am

Last year was a Top 10 defense.

Cougarbib

9/21/21 12:58pm

Seriously?

DocIzzy

9/21/21 10:34am

Did somebody say Karl Havoc?!

HotspurCoug

9/21/21 11:05am

He drops 8 and lets the offense make its own mistakes

GeraldGarner

9/21/21 11:19am

LoL. 6 or 7 yards every carry. Our defense has worked well against almost every

Cougarbib

9/21/21 1:06pm

Happy to revisit this after we play a good team

GeraldGarner

9/21/21 1:28pm

Our offense sputters away entire quarters. You might notice that the more

Cougarbib

9/26/21 2:12am

Shocker. We might not go undefeated. Fire everyone. BTW. USC was struggling vs

Cougarbib

9/26/21 2:13am

You’re looking silly right now, my guy

GeraldGarner

9/25/21 11:15pm

Silly about which part? Our defense has a job. Allow 24 points or less. They

Cougarbib

9/26/21 2:07am

PS. BYU got much higher yards per play than USF. Wrubel indicated USF back

Cougarbib

9/26/21 2:09am

Yikes 😳

GeraldGarner

10/16/21 7:38pm

Utah game is evidence of deeper talent and evolution of our DC

BYUgoslav

9/21/21 11:24am

Seems like a strange time air a beef about Tuiaki’s defense.

WaybackCougar

9/21/21 11:46am

It's not a beef. It WAS a beef. If you look at my other posts on havoc today, we've actually IMPROVED quite a bit in

nephicoug

9/21/21 1:11pm

We were Top 10 defense in 2020. Not a uite top 30 right now. I know. SOS. But,

Cougarbib

9/21/21 1:30pm

Who even cares if they keep points off the board. No one!

byucougs9

9/21/21 12:41pm

Good argument to make, right after a game where we got 4 turnovers... ...

here's to hoping

9/21/21 1:32pm

Special teams got 1 of those turnovers. Our offense got another of those, but

Cougarbib

9/21/21 1:37pm

Those TOs prove my argument. My argument is that BYU is getting much better at creating Havoc

nephicoug

9/21/21 2:12pm

Maybe something about getting better should be included in your OP, instead of

here's to hoping

9/21/21 3:04pm

There had been some other threads about it previously and I followed up on this thread with other posts about our

nephicoug

9/21/21 3:24pm

Yes. Allgeier and Hall created Havoc and after Hall turned it over they got

Cougarbib

9/21/21 4:23pm

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