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We were G5 for 30 years leading up to independence
They just called it outside "the bowl coalition" or "non-BCS."
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I have a fairly well connected booster friend that I recently asked about Indy
kosmokramer
9/25/17 2:40pm
There's a problem right there
TNT
9/25/17 2:41pm
I am not surprised. This is probably true for most universities with football.
SandYFan
9/25/17 2:42pm
BYU is different obviously
TNT
9/25/17 2:43pm
yes but with many of those schools it's the football program that gets what...
icecougar
9/25/17 7:53pm
Been that way forever. Twofold since Crowton
Moab Rising
9/25/17 2:46pm
Oh TNT has understood this for a long time
TNT
9/25/17 2:50pm
Question
runningryan
9/25/17 4:30pm
I know Tom was a big supporter of it initially but...
insidebyu
9/25/17 7:02pm
what stinks is there are almost no options...
icecougar
9/25/17 8:05pm
Limitations on fundraising is troubling
jkccoug
9/25/17 8:32pm
You'd think so, but...
insidebyu
9/26/17 8:18am
In other words...BYU will never be a P5 because of internal restraints
boscatar
9/26/17 5:04pm
In other words, but is on life support as myself and many others have said.
Backcountry
9/25/17 8:43pm
It is too bad they won't allow more donations for sports.
Blue for Life
9/25/17 9:28pm
Why are all these posts from trolls?
PortlandBlue
9/25/17 2:44pm
To which point are you referring?
TNT
9/25/17 2:45pm
That stepping down to a G5 would be anything but a death sentence for BYU.
BYUtka
9/25/17 2:47pm
You mean stepping sideways to a G5
Polecat
9/25/17 3:27pm
It's not sideways
MormonThug
9/25/17 3:54pm
Yes it is
Polecat
9/25/17 5:31pm
That thinking is sideways, but it is a clear downgrade. It isn't even close to
BYUtka
9/25/17 5:38pm
Agreed 100%. G5 is the kiss of death for BYU football.
CougarThug
9/25/17 8:08pm
No, and you know it's not. Indy is much better.
Beetdiggercoug
9/25/17 6:08pm
BYU is still a viable need for a G5 conference that they could get...
Coug
9/25/17 9:46pm
Only if by sideways you mean "off a cliff into a dark void." Indy>G5.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:30pm
You don't believe the "connected booster" has inside info?
cougarnw
9/25/17 3:18pm
Frankly, no.
CougarThug
9/25/17 8:09pm
Definitely not a troll
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:11pm
Suggesting that BYU would benefit from dropping down to G5 is 100% a troll move.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:18pm
Everything great BYU accomplished was as a member of a lower
kosmokramer
9/25/17 5:04pm
The landscape has changed a lot since then. You cannot ignore that.
BYUtka
9/25/17 5:27pm
It has, but that doesn't make Indy any better.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:32pm
BYU is in a unique situation compared to other schools. You are ignoring that.
BYUtka
9/25/17 7:12pm
Not true. The BCS and P5 were both designed to exclude non-members
CougarThug
9/25/17 8:24pm
that was also when the conference we were in had Utah
mindzeYe
9/25/17 11:18pm
No, it goes around for people who post obvious lies and nonsense
Lip Gallagher
9/25/17 5:28pm
This is getting SO TIRESOME! There are NO ALTERNATIVES!
DirtyWater
9/25/17 2:46pm
YeS There aRe!
Backcountry
9/25/17 2:49pm
G5 is not a viable alternative. It would kill the program.
BYUtka
9/25/17 2:56pm
We were G5 for 30 years leading up to independence
boscatar
9/25/17 2:58pm
And so was Utah. They are P5 now... THAT is the key difference.
BYUtka
9/25/17 3:01pm
And being Indy doesn't make us P5, just not G5
BYU Fan
9/25/17 3:45pm
Sure, a G5 all star conference would be cool.. but at best that's even with indy
Dissenter
9/25/17 7:47pm
The landscape has changed dramatically. You can't compare our previous
mannheimadler
9/25/17 3:03pm
This is true. In the 80s and 90s it didn't matter which conference a bowl
Stalwart Man
9/25/17 7:24pm
Staying indy and faking like we're a quasi P5 isn't doing us any favors either
franklyvulgar
9/25/17 3:35pm
It is hurting us less than dropping to g5 would.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:27pm
Please stop
DirtyWater
9/25/17 2:56pm
After you stop with all caps and definitive statements.
Backcountry
9/25/17 3:41pm
Good grief. Of course there is
shakarocks
9/25/17 3:01pm
Hmm... I guess USF, Boise, SDSU, Memphis, Houston etc didn't get the memo.
Turbine
9/25/17 3:10pm
Apples to Oranges.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:28pm
They did get the memo, and they fought to get P5, hard.
Dissenter
9/25/17 7:48pm
According to CB they should be long dead by now and done with football... Odd
Turbine
9/25/17 8:39pm
Not what anyone here is saying.
BYUtka
9/25/17 9:25pm
A death sentence? It's EXACTLY what some people are claiming.
Turbine
9/25/17 10:42pm
And for BYU, it would be. No one said it was for other schools. They are not BYU
BYUtka
9/26/17 12:45am
Of course there is an alternative. That is lazy thinking
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:16pm
This is how people drown in a sinking ship; of course, there are alternatives!
insidebyu
9/25/17 7:05pm
RE: I have a fairly well connected booster friend that I recently asked about Indy
YIsForBrigham
9/25/17 2:46pm
I don't believe him either
kahuna
9/25/17 4:27pm
Nobody would be raising this Indy talk if we were winning
Goliath
9/25/17 2:46pm
Yeah but we're not, and haven't been for 9 years now.
SandYFan
9/25/17 2:47pm
and going G5 will make us win again? How, but diluting our competition?
Archaea
9/25/17 3:14pm
I'm not advocating G5. It's P5 or die./
SandYFan
9/25/17 3:16pm
No.. no. They wouldn't be if Indi were helping the product on the field. Its not
Turbine
9/25/17 3:11pm
Nobody ever said it is. It's about EXPOSURE
Dissenter
9/25/17 7:49pm
Exposure is worthless if not helping on field.
Turbine
9/25/17 8:38pm
I think you are missing the point
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:18pm
G5 won't cure our problem with front-loaded schedules! It'll make it worse.
Stalwart Man
9/25/17 7:27pm
This is what the G5 crowd doesn't get. We'd play the same teams in G5
Dissenter
9/25/17 7:50pm
If that's the case then I doubt we're headed to a conference any time soon
jkccoug
9/25/17 2:47pm
I think you may be right
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:19pm
I don't think anyone really thinks indy is sustainable long term
Baron
9/25/17 2:47pm
It's not. TH has said it isn't.
Mathew
9/25/17 2:51pm
So we're basically saying that non-P5 isn't sustainable long-term. Maybe...
Stalwart Man
9/25/17 7:28pm
I think the newer Indy schedules will help. Better end of season games.
jkccoug
9/25/17 2:51pm
2018 schedule has Boise St. and Utah in November...
boscatar
9/25/17 2:57pm
Sounds legit
jaromp
9/25/17 2:54pm
Was Bronco filling up with premium or regular?
boscatar
9/25/17 2:56pm
It was a private booster meeting.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:07pm
At the end of the day, sports are about entertainment
Ulysses14
9/25/17 2:56pm
Lies! Football is life
TNT
9/25/17 2:59pm
I thought pinball was life? Is TNT living a dual life? I smell a dupe account!
TheWanderer
9/25/17 3:26pm
Indy is sustainable for football as long as ESPN pays BYU fairly for its home games.
Turnpike Lane
9/25/17 2:57pm
And it is certainly more sustainable than dropping down to G5.
BYUtka
9/25/17 3:04pm
I see G5 is more of a side step than down step I think Indy is overrated
franklyvulgar
9/25/17 3:46pm
How is it not a down step? It is a negative tragectory. It moves us backward.
BYUtka
9/25/17 3:48pm
Indy was a temporary landing spot until the P5 happened it appears that door is
franklyvulgar
9/25/17 4:00pm
How is it a downstep?
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:12pm
Ok, now I am convinced you are just trolling.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:31pm
Do you think we'd have 10 games a year on national TV in a G5??
Stalwart Man
9/25/17 7:30pm
See definitions 2 & 3 in the link below.
Refugee
9/25/17 3:21pm
My meeting with Bronco is 100% fact
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:10pm
Didn't say your meeting wasn't legit. Read the definitions again.
Refugee
9/25/17 4:32pm
fair enough, I guess most anything shared on here meets the definition of
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:35pm
If we joined a G5, wouldn't we have to pay a lot of money to break future game
ordinatuer
9/25/17 3:32pm
No facts huh about why Holmoe would want to go G5? They can make any schedule
Bobmarleyjr
9/25/17 3:37pm
I am pretty sure TH would love to not have to be putting together
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:13pm
Not to mention many of the high profile P5 teams refuse to give us a return game
franklyvulgar
9/25/17 4:16pm
P5 need us bc of the ooc P5 requirements & we can't expect to be even Home games
Bobmarleyjr
9/25/17 4:23pm
Nobody noticed that the P5 quit caring about the OOC requirements.
jrj84105
9/25/17 4:48pm
Nope. They only ignored it for really bad teams that couldn't win
Bobmarleyjr
9/25/17 8:18pm
The only P5 teams that didn't schedule P5 OOC were the bad teams.
jrj84105
9/26/17 8:45am
Those that want a good OOC game for CFP want to play BYU if best available
Bobmarleyjr
9/26/17 3:07pm
Those same "lackluster" bowls are what the G5 are playing for.
CougarThug
9/25/17 8:32pm
He doesn't even do it. He just approves it & all G5 move schedules for TV & P5
Bobmarleyjr
9/25/17 4:18pm
So if the B12 would have invited us the higher ups would have said no
Oldcougfan
9/25/17 3:51pm
Don't hold your breath
jkccoug
9/25/17 3:54pm
I didn't say that, but I do believe they had reservations.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:36pm
Here's my solution:
boscatar
9/25/17 3:53pm
I like it.
ordinatuer
9/25/17 3:57pm
That could happen on a smaller scale
runningryan
9/25/17 4:51pm
I could live with that.
HowardH
9/25/17 5:14pm
This would be the best combination for football independence. Would be awesome if it could work
YIsForBrigham
9/25/17 5:26pm
It is a lot like what I suggested years ago...
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:41pm
Sounds like Wac-16, the second coming, but has intriguing possibilities
insidebyu
9/25/17 7:08pm
Is this a personal attack?
TonyStark
9/25/17 3:58pm
Did he say that's why he sucked in recruiting and rivalry games?
Y4LYFE
9/25/17 4:13pm
his recruiting was comparable to LaVell's
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:15pm
saying that current coaches prefer g5 over indy is not true.
HarlemCoug
9/25/17 4:13pm
You may be correct
kosmokramer
9/25/17 4:16pm
TH does not prefer G5 to Indy.
HarlemCoug
9/25/17 4:17pm
Only Yewt trolls prefer BYU is G5 over Indy.
BYUtka
9/25/17 4:45pm
LOL...nothing I hate more than Utes. I just wish we had a better strategy
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:44pm
BYU fans only have one pre-approved opinion? Anyone else is a Ute troll?
insidebyu
9/25/17 7:09pm
Some things are so clealy bad that only a Yewt wanting the demise of BYU could
BYUtka
9/25/17 7:21pm
this narrative is perplexing to me. BM's exit is the most obvious case that this board doesn't agree on important items
HarlemCoug
9/25/17 8:01pm
You mean not everyone on CB ran him out of town with pitchforks, what?!
insidebyu
9/26/17 8:20am
Bronco told me TH was all in trying to get us into a P5 league.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:47pm
Bronco was adamant that the ONLY way out of independence was to play the best teams possible year in and year out and
Rhino84
9/25/17 4:20pm
Bronco was hopeful at the time that P5 would happen
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:51pm
Revenues aside, a big difference between Indy and affiliation (even G5) has to b
PowerD
9/25/17 4:29pm
Interesting point, never thought about that.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:52pm
I call bull... mainly because all the other teams ARE in a respectable conferenc
(Private)
9/25/17 4:41pm
I was only referring to football coaches.
kosmokramer
9/25/17 6:54pm
Not true. FB is the cash cow. The BOT "drives" the decisions and always will.
CougarThug
9/25/17 8:30pm
Seems like a business issue/problem. How closely should the university listen to
Pasadena
9/25/17 6:25pm
We were just fine before in the MWC
CougarWildcat
9/25/17 7:17pm
Yep, and nothing in College Football has changed since then.
BYUtka
9/25/17 7:22pm
I was doing just fine when I worked at a tire shop in High School. Fun times but it would be disastrous to my family if
Rhino84
9/25/17 9:27pm
What? Do you not remember the dumpster fire that was "The Mountain"?
delux_247
9/26/17 5:25am
Bronco is in his 2nd year with VIRGINIA, could BYU beat VIRGINIA this year?
FootFAN
9/26/17 7:10am
dumb ? we all know we couldn't
mindzeYe
9/28/17 2:16am
Not so dumb. Just a few weeks ago we KNEW we could. What we didn't know we didn't know...
Refugee
9/28/17 9:38am
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