I completely agree our top 10,000 students compare very well with Ivy League.

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Feb 8, 2017
11:29:16pm

Fatalplacebo All-American

I completely agree our top 10,000 students compare very well with Ivy League.

But we are not Ivy League. It's a huge generational (especially East Coast) snobbery that thinks East Coast schools are better. It's embedded in politics, corporations, etc. Rice University in Houston is considered an exceptional school in Texas. It's enrollment is only 6,700 and accepts 14% of the applicants. It will never be considered an Ivy League School.

The main reason BYU won't be considered an Ivy League school is because 1) Mormon and 2) it's too cheap to attend.

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Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

Trent

2/8/17 10:16pm

I'd love to see enrollment cut. We have the talent to be an elite academic school. No need to water things down......

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:25pm

The issue isn't the qualified students it is the quality of the professors and

Nat Gas Man

2/8/17 10:28pm

I'd say our top 10,000 students would compare very well to an Ivy... but once you get to our bottom quartile the pool

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:31pm

I completely agree our top 10,000 students compare very well with Ivy League.

2/8/17 11:29pm

you nailed it!

warp

2/9/17 6:14am

Chuurch. Think how awesome it'd be if the 100k students in the BYU system were

2/9/17 8:55am

This is how I got a B- in a class I averaged below 50% on my tests...

Pretorian

2/9/17 6:38am

I have a degree from an Ivy & I think that was true 20 yrs ago but not sure

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:29am

Perhaps I should have said

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:34am

I actually know this is true for the top 5000 applicants

(Private)

2/9/17 8:37am

Quality professors isn't the problem it used to be. Because BYU put out so many

2/8/17 11:14pm

My brother is one of those. Undergrad BYU PhD and post doc at Yale and Stanford

mvtoro

2/9/17 1:03am

Totally true. Top grad programs are full of BYU alums or LDS alums of eg, Utah

jkccoug

2/9/17 7:36am

They need to expand

2FarGone

2/8/17 10:39pm

I wish it were different. I think the world would benefit more if we were to graduate more people into jobs that lead

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:51pm

Which companies won't hire you from BYU? I know lots of BYU alumni at all of the

2/8/17 10:56pm

lots of companies don't recruit BYU. many simply say "Ivy only" or "Ivy+" meaning that they aren't

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:01pm

I'd be interested to know what companies are saying that. I've been recruited

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:38pm

I'm a hack, just say Trent's post...

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:39pm

the company I work for doesn't recruit there. Not enough diversity

fulano

2/9/17 7:37am

at least that's what the recruiting manager told me when I asked why no BYU

fulano

2/9/17 7:38am

I was told back in '02 that a major tech firm was getting pressure to not

morningcalmcougar

2/9/17 5:32pm

Interesting take - which companies are we talking about?

Trent

2/8/17 11:01pm

Your post answers your own question. Kim mentioned a "big uptick in recruiting." This means our brand is better and

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:11pm

Fortune 1000 come, but Hedge Funds, PE Funds, and some i-banks - you're right.

Trent

2/8/17 11:19pm

My experience was vastly different, though I graduated around 2011/2012

NottherealJWill

2/8/17 11:27pm

What was your major? I graduated in 2012 and we were all heavily recruited.

jaromp

2/9/17 12:27am

The BYU STEM fair always has big names recruiting there as well.

OlanchoCoug

2/9/17 8:38am

I majored in finance.

NottherealJWill

2/9/17 9:16am

What Majors are we talking about? ALL of the top engineering companies were

Bert609

2/9/17 6:11am

I haven't heard of BYU closing many doors

2/9/17 6:44pm

RE: I'd love to see enrollment cut. We have the talent to be an elite academic

Bigfancoug

2/8/17 11:01pm

This times a million. We need to grow the donor base particularly the Utah donor

2/9/17 6:03am

Difficult to get into BYU if you live in Utah. Need to increase # of students

boscatar

2/9/17 10:18am

For comparison

boscatar

2/9/17 10:18am

Why do people think it's harder for Utah kids to get into BYU?

2/9/17 1:13pm

Because it's true. There are numerous cases

boscatar

2/10/17 2:45pm

Water things down? Lol. That fear you have is the dumbest idea ever.

2/8/17 11:20pm

If nothing else, if your job may require relationships with other companies

BYUFam1

2/9/17 7:12am

Uh, who is "we?" You're not a student. And you're being an insult to those

southernfriedcougar

2/9/17 8:52am

Graduate programs accomplish this.

PhilPete

2/9/17 9:02am

This is 100% wrong IMO.

WHO DEY

2/9/17 10:26am

I couldn't disagree more. I don't want BYU to full of a bunch of entitled,

2/9/17 1:07pm

I would be very surprised if they increase enrollment. But the key will be if

Nat Gas Man

2/8/17 10:27pm

Can you imagine the traffic in Provo/Orem with 30K more students? Yikes.

Bgash

2/8/17 10:44pm

They would need a decent East/West road

2/8/17 10:57pm

eBikes

Trent

2/8/17 11:02pm

It would require a vehicle free campus

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 8:49am

BYU currently won't allow new buildings to expand total square footage on campus

2/9/17 1:15pm

So you work at Traeger, huh?

Mike Honcho

2/8/17 10:30pm

No, but I was there to support Jeremy and I go to MWCN stuff sometimes

Trent

2/8/17 10:37pm

Sometimes I wish Kalani was more like the curmudgeon Bill Belichick or Saban.

2/8/17 10:45pm

You know, I might have considered making a joke that even Gerald couldn't

dilbert

2/8/17 10:52pm

I'm not complaining about how likeable he is. I'm complaining

2/8/17 11:01pm

You're complaining about how much BYU fans like Kalani. Close enough.

2/8/17 11:16pm

college football is very different from pros - recruiting makes it so.... Being likable is an asset worth exploiting.

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 10:53pm

I'm not saying it can't work. Coaches like Dabo are very likeable and successful

2/8/17 10:59pm

BYU's competitive advantage is our access to elite Poly athletes. I think a likable coach has a better chance of

HarlemCoug

2/8/17 11:04pm

I agree with that.

2/8/17 11:16pm

You think Bronco had a mediocre record?! Most schools would kill for a

ugo1st

2/8/17 11:39pm

College football records are relative. His was very mediocre.

2/9/17 12:10am

You forgot to add "flame away" at the end of your post.

Flyski

2/9/17 3:14am

Kalani won in East Lansing against a playoff team from the previous year.

buckeyecougarguy

2/9/17 2:48pm

It was a solid win for sure. But that Michigan state team was terrible last year

2/9/17 10:01pm

it doesn't carry the same weight as if they beat them the year before, but

buckeyecougarguy

2/10/17 12:14pm

On the topic of demand, did caffenated beverages come up?

2/8/17 11:41pm

You lost me at "the Ute fans were being decent"

jaredm

2/9/17 12:27am

Hard to believe, I know

Trent

2/9/17 9:53am

A football major? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

OpusX

2/9/17 2:16am

Do you feel the same way about existing majors like Dance?

Trent

2/9/17 9:54am

I do. I think dance is ridiculous. Let's get a football major.

yaxcoug

2/9/17 10:34am

I took a basketball class at BYU. It was half a credit.

OpusX

2/9/17 4:03pm

Dance is considered: "Art" So is speaking another language, ie "language art"

HangookCoug

2/9/17 12:11pm

Don't think enrollment will expand ever

Cosmo4life

2/9/17 2:25am

RE: Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

Opietheman

2/9/17 3:10am

I stopped reading after "I have not done any resurch" [sic]

mncougar

2/9/17 9:29am

53% is high - good point. But avg is 29 ACT and 3.8 GPA - pretty high I'd say

Trent

2/9/17 9:57am

Acceptance rate at BYU v other schools is not apples to apples

jkccoug

2/9/17 10:23am

RE: Acceptance rate at BYU v other schools is not apples to apples

Opietheman

2/9/17 7:24pm

I think they only way enrollment could expand is if they raised tuition.

jensen46

2/9/17 5:58am

I don't think money is the issue

2FarGone

2/9/17 6:36am

I think money is a really big part. BYU is hugely money losing for the church.

colton

2/9/17 7:41am

If a football major was something that was going to fly with the NCAA or any

russkiejedi

2/9/17 7:02am

Agreed. Instead, they have a "Criminal Justice" major

fulano

2/9/17 7:39am

Yeah, a football major would be a huge blow to sociology departments around

russkiejedi

2/9/17 8:30am

*psychology

southernfriedcougar

2/9/17 9:10am

They could do a sports management program

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 8:53am

BYU already has B.S. in recreation management in the business school, and sports

colton

2/9/17 10:42am

that program is the joke of the B School. It is only there because of political

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 1:51pm

How would the sports management program you suggested be different?

colton

2/9/17 3:20pm

based upon finance, HR, marketing...just a subset of the General Business Degree

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 3:54pm

You met Kalani and your conversation was about administrative university stuff?

fulano

2/9/17 7:21am

Both topics tie back to competitive advantages for football

Trent

2/9/17 10:00am

Trying to be an Ivy would hurt more than help

2/9/17 9:13am

Wow! Such elitism.

jlhazlewood

2/9/17 10:03am

the old - let's strive to be mediocre argument. At least you're willing to be candid about your quest for mediocrity...

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 10:18am

Byu will never be an elite school with the continual online programs it offers

2/9/17 11:23am

Harvard and MIT have their courses online too. I agree that BYU will never be elite but it won't because I didn't

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 11:29am

I believe Harvard requires you to attend school in conjunction with online

2/9/17 11:57am

Here's a list of free courses that anyone can take

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 1:44pm

1) we are much better than the U 2) we still don't have the room even with

2/9/17 2:10pm

Also, people that get at 4.0 almost never make the best employees. Some do, most

fulano

2/9/17 11:06am

let me guess.... you're not a hiring manager???

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 11:09am

LOL, Why the assumption that people don't work their but off to make 4.0?

WhiteKnight

2/9/17 11:23am

You're right... BYU's mission is to provide opportunities to everybody

Bgash

2/9/17 11:46am

RE: Talked with Kalani at an event yesterday...

CoolB

2/9/17 1:00pm

If your kids have a 4.0 and high ACT score it probably won't be hard to get

2/9/17 1:17pm

I still hate the thought of doubling enrollment. Provo high isn't enough space

2/9/17 1:59pm

they could go back to having a full blown night program...the campus is under

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 2:05pm

I'm not sure I agree about under utilization when every singles ward meets

2/9/17 2:15pm

I was referring to night. Many of the big public schools have a whole other

Nat Gas Man

2/9/17 3:55pm

Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying

2/9/17 6:54pm

Here's a chart on people per acre in NYC. Manhattan is 102/acre and overall we're at 42 (just as your

HarlemCoug

2/9/17 2:08pm

That's interesting. The only part of Columbias campus that I have visited is the

2/9/17 2:17pm

Lets start buying up houses around campus and expanding the live around campus

2/9/17 2:20pm

Agreed. It can be done, I just think it gets thrown around here without

2/9/17 2:26pm

I think campus expansion is difficult

CoolB

2/9/17 7:32pm

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