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May 2, 2015
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newey-west
Last few years? Those guys are still in the system. Go back and look at the 10
year history.
Also, I'd love to see your data because I did this analysis a while back and BYU and Utah were practically identical.
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After watching the draft, I'm even more convinced that Bronco needs to get some
newey-west
5/2/15 3:25pm
There is a problem getting guys to the NFL, but I have no idea where to point
Shimmy
5/2/15 3:29pm
Watching FCS players get drafted and so far not 1 BYU kid...
Smoke Monster
5/2/15 3:29pm
Seeing FCS kids get drafted isn't troubling at all.
kudzucoug
5/2/15 3:44pm
So, you think it's a recruiting issue?
newey-west
5/2/15 3:47pm
I think it is both a recruiting issue and a development issue.
kudzucoug
5/2/15 3:57pm
Both of those issues directly point to the coaching staff.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:00pm
This
Cougarbib
5/2/15 5:33pm
I am not sure it is his fault
2FarGone
5/2/15 3:39pm
If you don't know where to place the blame, then a good bet is the person who
newey-west
5/2/15 3:42pm
I would be curious to see how many players other teams that have recruiting
kudzucoug
5/2/15 3:45pm
how does increased age from missions factor in?
SUAVO
5/2/15 3:47pm
Utah is a good comp
newey-west
5/2/15 3:47pm
Blame President Worthen. The players have no responsibility to get themselves
Bob Vance
5/2/15 3:50pm
So, you think that Bronco et al. just have a history of recruiting lazy and
newey-west
5/2/15 3:51pm
No, but the either/or dichotomy is wrong here and a waste of energy
Bob Vance
5/2/15 3:53pm
Why is the dichotomy wrong? After putting Ziggy into the NFL, Bronco changed his
newey-west
5/2/15 3:55pm
Because "lazy and unmotivated" is not the only other option to "don't develop
Bob Vance
5/2/15 4:14pm
Okay, so you think it's recruiting.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:16pm
Hey, look at that, another possibility jumps into the option matrix
Bob Vance
5/2/15 4:19pm
It's not either/or thinking.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:55pm
Bronco didnt put Ziggy in the NFL, Ziggy did with his freak athleticism.
CougarWarrior
5/2/15 6:31pm
Bronco taught him the basics and he recognized that Ziggy had potential.
newey-west
5/2/15 6:35pm
When did he recognize his potential? When he didn't play him until he had too?
CougarWarrior
5/2/15 8:23pm
Well, he let him on the team.
newey-west
5/2/15 8:25pm
He also lets on crappy players. That doesnt prove your point.
CougarWarrior
5/2/15 11:05pm
Best part about Ziggy is that it was an Elder who scouted him.
Flyingdolphin
5/2/15 6:43pm
You think BYU should be putting out more? Whats your justification if so?
BYUfan92
5/2/15 5:43pm
Comparables with BYU?
newey-west
5/2/15 6:30pm
Utah isn't comparable I dont think - the "Honor Code" they have is a joke and
BYUfan92
5/2/15 10:03pm
Though its not everything, I think missions hold a lot of the blame
WhiteKnight
5/2/15 3:57pm
Sure, BYU has some institutional features that make things a little challenging.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:02pm
they do get some, but I'd rather have a 21 yr old
SUAVO
5/2/15 4:09pm
Agreed. Bronco did just make some changes to his redshirt policy.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:10pm
For context, Notre Dame had one player drafted. One.
BostonCougar
5/2/15 3:55pm
How many ND players have been drafted in the last 5 years?
newey-west
5/2/15 3:57pm
The answer is 20.
newey-west
5/2/15 4:06pm
It's not about this year; it's a fairly well established theme.
Non-mo Coug
5/2/15 4:11pm
It has definitely been one of the more troubling aspects of his tenure.
eddog
5/2/15 4:02pm
Good call, has to be Omer's fault. No way Bronco has anything to
Zach Morris
5/2/15 4:43pm
Or you could look at what the NFL wants and see if it matches up to what BYU has
BYUfan92
5/2/15 5:35pm
False. During the Crowton era BYU had the 2nd most players in the NFL
Zach Morris
5/2/15 5:53pm
Which of course is not true at all...
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:07pm
looking forward to your backpedaling soon as I link the quote.
Zach Morris
5/2/15 6:08pm
LOL - I can't wait.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:10pm
RE: LOL - I can't wait.
Conan O'Fresno
5/2/15 6:13pm
Ditto
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:50pm
From a 2009 artricle:
Conan O'Fresno
5/3/15 9:24am
Interesting.
PolarisPrime
5/3/15 10:01am
What I originally brought up is true PP. Just own it...
Zach Morris
5/3/15 10:21am
So.....
PolarisPrime
5/3/15 10:26am
How is bringing it up several times in an effort to sell the program
Zach Morris
5/3/15 10:53am
First - prove "several times"
PolarisPrime
5/3/15 11:04am
I really don't care anymore and according to Bronco's record with draftee's
Zach Morris
5/3/15 11:13am
You are making things up again
PolarisPrime
5/3/15 11:19am
Here's a cached version of the link...
Conan O'Fresno
5/3/15 10:33pm
RE: LOL - I can't wait.
Zach Morris
5/2/15 6:20pm
First off - thanks for a link. That is almost unprecedented for you.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:50pm
mpfunk's dupe account?
Conan O'Fresno
5/2/15 7:07pm
Are you talking about me or Zack?
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:37pm
So for the laughy faces and thumbs down - point out where I am wrong.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:43pm
So I guess I can safely assume that the idea that Zach
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 9:34pm
Nobody more offended by smiley's and thumbs down. Knife to the chest!
southernfriedcougar
5/3/15 11:30pm
Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?
BYUfan92
5/2/15 6:09pm
RE: Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?
Zach Morris
5/2/15 6:21pm
Explanation of link
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:51pm
RE: Gets a few guys in? KVN, Ziggy, Sorenson? Pitta? Hadley? Fangupo?
Zach Morris
5/2/15 6:26pm
And a link
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:53pm
Oh, so you think it's a recruiting issue?
newey-west
5/2/15 6:32pm
Easy Explanation - He hasn't. at the median consistently
Cougarbib
5/2/15 6:40pm
So, you think it's a recruiting issue?
newey-west
5/2/15 7:05pm
Wrong again, check Utah's rankings on Rivals and Scout for the last few years...
Corsica
5/2/15 8:32pm
Last few years? Those guys are still in the system. Go back and look at the 10
newey-west
5/2/15 8:36pm
You Would Be Wrong
Cougarbib
5/2/15 11:34pm
This is true bm and th came to socal
Blue Cougar
5/2/15 7:37pm
Apparently not.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:46pm
Why?
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 6:09pm
You don't think that the ability to recruit talent helps you win games?
newey-west
5/2/15 6:28pm
There has been no fall off in the recruiting of tallent.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:04pm
Seriously? 2 in 5 years when BYU's recruiting rankings are identical to
newey-west
5/2/15 7:22pm
2 years? That is not a really meaningfull statistic
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:42pm
2 players picked in 5 years. It's meaningful.
newey-west
5/2/15 7:45pm
Well, it may be a sales pitch
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 7:52pm
It's not just a one year thing.
newey-west
5/2/15 7:58pm
I actually won't have anything to do wtih BYU having a good season
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 9:31pm
You don't think that players playing better equates to more wins?
newey-west
5/2/15 9:39pm
No. I think the NFL sees talent whether the team is good or bad.
PolarisPrime
5/2/15 9:48pm
I didn't say that NFL scouts look to see how good a team is and then pick
newey-west
5/2/15 9:56pm
You just don't get it do you
checoug
5/3/15 1:57am
I get it. But you are putting the cart before the horse.
PolarisPrime
5/3/15 10:06am
Hit for the cycle.
newey-west
5/2/15 6:36pm
I love it when that happens.
Hotty-Toddy-Reb
5/2/15 9:02pm
Imo it's a recruiting problem
eyebleedblu
5/2/15 8:21pm
What if I told you that BYU's recruiting is on par with
newey-west
5/2/15 8:26pm
And it's not the level of the recruits so much as the type of recruits
Mantis Mutu
5/4/15 5:19am
I agree 100%. You definitely can't coach
eyebleedblu
5/4/15 4:55pm
Who knows.
Hotty-Toddy-Reb
5/2/15 9:01pm
Do you think that this will impact Freeze's ability to recruit?
newey-west
5/2/15 9:08pm
I'll admit it... It was a misleading stat.
Hotty-Toddy-Reb
5/2/15 9:20pm
Nutt and Bronco are very similar.
newey-west
5/2/15 9:24pm
I don't care at all how many BYU players are drafted. Wins is all that matters.
bluefish
5/2/15 11:35pm
Remember when BYU was placing players in the NFL few were serving missions
Cougarpride
5/2/15 11:36pm
At ANY point do you give Bronco credit for winning consistently and playing toug
cougarmikey
5/3/15 9:21am
How about coaching development. It's worse.
Gerald-DeGroot
5/3/15 9:34am
Please enlighten me Polaris
Gerald-DeGroot
5/3/15 10:31am
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CougDogg-e-Dogg
5/3/15 11:30am
Yeah it's pretty bad.
newey-west
5/3/15 1:40pm
RE: After watching the draft, I'm even more convinced that Bronco needs to get
Jjfla123
5/3/15 9:48am
BYU is in a totally unique category
BaYoU
5/3/15 12:23pm
BYU will never be Texas, Alabama, or even
newey-west
5/3/15 1:43pm
I'm not sure why Leslie is included in that list
BaYoU
5/3/15 3:43pm
Mahina was also injured much of his career
Cougarbib
5/3/15 11:26pm
Truth Spoken
Cougarbib
5/3/15 2:24pm
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