What more exactly do you want? In my opinion, there is absolutely zero merit for any BYU fan to have any iota of hatred for a guy who hasn't done anything to merit hatred. I have no idea what you are trying to prove, but you will never convince me that the hatred has merit at this point. So I suppose we can keep going on and on and on...but the Howell hatred will always baffle me...as will your insistance on debating whether I should be baffled by it or not.