He hit his ceiling during the season this year. He was worse at the end of it

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Dec 24, 2024
7:16:01am

russkiejedi Intervention Needed

He hit his ceiling during the season this year. He was worse at the end of it

than he was at the beginning. Optimism is great, and I certainly hope he takes another big leap forward this offseason. But I'm skeptical, and certainly not excited about the idea of pinning our hopes on him replicating that kind of leap forward two more offseasons. I don't see anything in him that suggests you're not better off getting his successor ready for 2026.

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This sentiment is mind-blowing.... Retzlaff took major steps this season in his first full season as a starter

Adrielle Board Misanthrope

Dec 23, 6:14pm

Because improving from awful to serviceable is both easier and more likely than

russkiejedi

Dec 23, 6:18pm

So good improvement is actually that he just sucked less. Goodness. How lame. There have been name QBs who have kept...

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:25pm

I think his point is he couldn’t have been worse than he was in 2023.

HBCoug

Dec 23, 6:34pm

Yup. Retzlaff was improved but imagining this team with Dart makes me sad.

tacallaway

Dec 23, 6:41pm

The point is that it's a bit silly to comp a guy who played (by far) the

oxcoug

Dec 23, 6:43pm

Then don't compare. Fact is, he was just OK this year. Helped the team in a lot

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 10:31am

It's a grass is always greener thing. And maybe ruskie thinks he's reached his ceiling. I don't see that at all

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:44pm

I don’t think he makes that leap without greatly improving accuracy and that doesn’t ever really happen. But maybe it

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:56pm

RE: I don’t think he makes that leap without greatly improving accuracy

tacallaway

Dec 23, 7:06pm

He hit his ceiling during the season this year. He was worse at the end of it

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 7:16am

I disagree. He was great at running the offense… until he wasn’t.

YOHONOMOTO

Dec 23, 9:43pm

Guys don't just keep getting better the longer they stick around. He will

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 7:11am

I think Retzy improves again this offseason because he won't split practice reps

pinolero

Dec 23, 6:22pm

And now it's going to be a matter of fine tuning. Certainly he has been told where his weaknesses are now (efficiency...

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:27pm

His potential is not limitless. He has a ceiling and he's probably close to it.

DudeBro

Dec 23, 6:43pm

What, specifically limits his ceiling? Arm strength? Lack of mobility? What?

SoCalCoug

Dec 23, 6:46pm

Throwing motion which limits his accuracy and allows for more batted balls at

foofcoug

Dec 23, 6:52pm

He can improve his accuracy without changing his throwing motion.

pinolero

Dec 23, 6:55pm

4 years post high school and he's magically going to "learn" accuracy?

foofcoug

Dec 23, 6:57pm

He can learn to take his check downs more. If he gets all #1 reps he'll improve.

pinolero

Dec 23, 7:10pm

He can also learn to control his velocity better. Doesn't have to let it rip on

pinolero

Dec 23, 7:13pm

I hope it happens and I hope I'm wrong. He's a likable guy and a competitor.

foofcoug

Dec 23, 7:18pm

Maybe one of his many throwing motions is accurate. If that is the case we need to get him to that most often.

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:58pm

Even the batted balls issue is over blown. That is change that will happen by

Dec 23, 7:02pm

For one, he likes to turn the ball over. He's also short and throws sidearm.

DudeBro

Dec 23, 6:59pm

I don't think so. He's nowhere near his ceiling. No it's not limitless, but he's been a starter for 16 games.

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:46pm

Retlazz will have 17 starts before next season starts. Here's how other QBs have played after 17 starts under their belt

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:05pm

He’s played one full season of P4 football.

Dec 23, 6:48pm

I think Retzlaff make great strides and is a good leader and a fine QB. QBs generally don’t learn accuracy over time and

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:54pm

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Spiff

Dec 23, 7:06pm

Comparison of accuracy of BYU QBs in their final games after their first 17 starts:

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:16pm

I notice you only listed the best ones and yeah, a couple guys improved. Hope that is Jake. Where does he rank on that

shimmy

Dec 23, 7:20pm

I didn't include QBs with fewer than 18 starts (which is what Jake will have at the start of next year). Here's the QBs

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:40pm

I guess it was the best ones my nature of getting so many starts then. And yeah they improved a little bit for

shimmy

Dec 23, 7:46pm

Jake made big strides in the off season. Hopefully, he does it again, but…

Frustrated Coug

Dec 23, 7:17pm

I think we are all behind him. But it doesn’t erase critiques we all see

MrSandman

Dec 23, 9:03pm

Jake never got better as the season went on. You would expect a team that is

bookofdaniel

Dec 23, 7:50pm

His last 4 games he threw 2 TD’s to 4 picks. If anything defenses figured him

MrSandman

Dec 23, 9:02pm

He’s not NFL material due to mechanics. Teams did figure out to just blitz him

Cougs2012

Dec 23, 9:15pm

They're not going to get a new guy to compete with him next season, so it's not

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 10:21am

I want him two more years. I think he’s dedicated to make the improvements

Blue Heart

Dec 23, 10:40pm

He was electrifying in some of those wins as were his teammates. O and D struggled at times, and were amazing at other

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 23, 11:30pm

Someone needs to teach him how to not throw side-arm.

Les IsMore

Dec 24, 12:52am

It bothers me too, but John Beck explained that lots of guys have unique throwing motions and that they aren't

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 24, 10:39am

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