Does the state have liability for people that die inside?

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Dec 14, 2024
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I always find the Nutty Putty cave to be amusing whenever it's talked about online. Due to the tragic

MHallDidNothingWr0ng Nice Leather Pants

Dec 14, 9:10am

Jon “bones” Jones

Reasonable1

Dec 14, 9:19am

Didn't they use dynamite to collapse the cave to permanently seal Jones in there?

Skeptical Optimist

Dec 14, 9:20am

I didn't know they dynamited it. If that's the case than I guess he's permanently stuck down there.

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Dec 14, 9:25am

Reading some of the quotes in the link I posted below, it looks like it's not an irreversible

Skeptical Optimist

Dec 14, 9:32am

No just cemented up the entrance

BYU Grounds

Dec 14, 12:47pm

Also, the cave was closed at the request of the Jones family. They told the land owner

Skeptical Optimist

Dec 14, 9:25am

Amusing & Tragic don’t seem to align

Chicago Cougar

Dec 14, 9:29am

Once was enough for me. I didn’t know I was claustrophobic until I explored that cave.

Tokolosh

Dec 14, 9:30am

Same here

DavisCoCoug

Dec 14, 9:33am

Yep. I didn't get very far until I said "nope" and waited outside.

fredgarvin

Dec 14, 10:03am

We’ve made everything so safe that there’s not enough opportunities for

Nakedbootleg

Dec 14, 9:30am

They closed the nutty putty cave so now there is nothing challenging for young adults and they can’t hang out in large

shimmy

Dec 14, 9:34am

Yes, absolutes are always what we deal with. Always.

Nakedbootleg

Dec 14, 9:37am

Closing places where people die recreating is a slippery slope.

Madam Pattirini

Dec 14, 9:38am

I get it, but I’m familiar with 2 cave closings in Utah in 40 years. There has to be some balance. The cave where

shimmy

Dec 14, 11:00am

I'm not passionate about it, but I'd leave public spaces open and warn.

Madam Pattirini

Dec 14, 12:43pm

Nah. No reason for anyone to go in there or any other cave like that

Beggar

Dec 14, 9:30am

There is one reason…

Russell Feathers

Dec 14, 9:36am

RE: There is one reason…

fredgarvin

Dec 14, 10:04am

Yes

Russell Feathers

Dec 14, 10:05am

Escape Rooms have taken the place of actual places like this

OU Cougar

Dec 14, 9:34am

I did it twice. Wasnt for me.

Longseason

Dec 14, 9:37am

RE: I always find the Nutty Putty cave to be amusing whenever it's talked about

Japan Coug

Dec 14, 9:37am

In general, the number of pansies in society has tracked closely with the rate of declining testosterone over the years.

Rules For Thee

Dec 14, 9:39am

Insurance and liability have a lot to do with it

Skeptical Optimist

Dec 14, 9:44am

Spot on, used to hit the caves frequently in the 90’s …birth canal was tough tho

DoctorEvil

Dec 14, 9:40am

Went many times. I was to big to do the birth canal but the group I was with wasn't

crimedog

Dec 14, 9:41am

The birth canal was definitely freaky though.

inertiaman

Dec 14, 9:46am

They should reopen Gollum's Cave in Provo. Sounded awesome.

Wife_Apologist

Dec 14, 9:46am

Very very different caves. Nutty Putty was relatively safe. Jones broke a number of huge spelunking rules and used

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Dec 14, 9:54am

What were some of the rules he broke and bad judgment he used? Honest

kos

Dec 14, 10:08am

The biggest one was "if you don't know where you're going, don't go."

volleyjiver

Dec 14, 10:21am

He went into an unexplored section of the cave he was unfamiliar with, and then instead of turning around he went head

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Dec 14, 10:27am

Didn't somebody die in that cave in the 90s? Got stuck in a tunnel and drowned?

cougarmeister

Dec 14, 11:01am

2005

Wife_Apologist

Dec 14, 11:56am

I went through it less than a month before they died.

dYrtbYkerYder

Dec 14, 3:22pm

You think dangerous enough to close?

Wife_Apologist

Dec 14, 3:49pm

There was oxygen in the chamber when I went, so it seemed fine.

dYrtbYkerYder

Dec 14, 3:55pm

Definitely was better the smaller you were. I went in a few times post growth spurt just because I didn't want to look

mokelembembe

Dec 14, 9:58am

It was so much fun.

Mufasa

Dec 14, 9:59am

100% agreed. I remember being so pissed they closed it. Just close all the roads

RUNBYU1

Dec 14, 10:03am

I get your point, but those reactions aren't exactly equivalent.

Jeffacka

Dec 14, 10:36am

The world is a big place with lots of people

stonecougar

Dec 14, 10:25am

Amen. It was the first date with my wife. I took multiple groups there myself and I'm no caver.

CSoul

Dec 14, 10:56am

Who was the landowner? Maybe they were just tired of the liability.

Reasonable1

Dec 14, 11:45am

It's State Trust land

RUNBYU1

Dec 14, 12:42pm

Does the state have liability for people that die inside?

Reasonable1

Dec 14, 12:53pm

I went through that cave when I was dating my wife.

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