Insurance and liability have a lot to do with it

Dec 14, 2024
9:44:08am

Skeptical Optimist Intervention Needed

Taking risks also means that somebody has to assume liability if something bad happens.

The days of personal responsibility are long gone.

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Skeptical Optimist

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I always find the Nutty Putty cave to be amusing whenever it's talked about online. Due to the tragic

MHallDidNothingWr0ng Nice Leather Pants

9:10am

Jon “bones” Jones

Reasonable1

9:19am

Didn't they use dynamite to collapse the cave to permanently seal Jones in there?

Skeptical Optimist

9:20am

I didn't know they dynamited it. If that's the case than I guess he's permanently stuck down there.

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

9:25am

Reading some of the quotes in the link I posted below, it looks like it's not an irreversible

Skeptical Optimist

9:32am

No just cemented up the entrance

BYU Grounds

12:47pm

Also, the cave was closed at the request of the Jones family. They told the land owner

Skeptical Optimist

9:25am

Amusing & Tragic don’t seem to align

Chicago Cougar

9:29am

Once was enough for me. I didn’t know I was claustrophobic until I explored that cave.

Tokolosh

9:30am

Same here

DavisCoCoug

9:33am

Yep. I didn't get very far until I said "nope" and waited outside.

fredgarvin

10:03am

We’ve made everything so safe that there’s not enough opportunities for

Nakedbootleg

9:30am

They closed the nutty putty cave so now there is nothing challenging for young adults and they can’t hang out in large

shimmy

9:34am

Yes, absolutes are always what we deal with. Always.

Nakedbootleg

9:37am

Closing places where people die recreating.is a slippery slope.

Madam Pattirini

9:38am

I get it, but I’m familiar with 2 cave closings in Utah in 40 years. There has to be some balance. The cave where

shimmy

11:00am

I'm not passionate about it, but I'd leave public spaces open and warn.

Madam Pattirini

12:43pm

Nah. No reason for anyone to go in there or any other cave like that

Beggar

9:30am

There is one reason…

Russell Feathers

9:36am

RE: There is one reason…

fredgarvin

10:04am

Yes

Russell Feathers

10:05am

Escape Rooms have taken the place of actual places like this

OU Cougar

9:34am

I did it twice. Wasnt for me.

Longseason

9:37am

RE: I always find the Nutty Putty cave to be amusing whenever it's talked about

Japan Coug

9:37am

In general, the number of pansies in society has tracked closely with the rate of declining testosterone over the years.

Rules For Thee

9:39am

Insurance and liability have a lot to do with it

Skeptical Optimist

9:44am

Spot on, used to hit the caves frequently in the 90’s …birth canal was tough tho

DoctorEvil

9:40am

Went many times. I was to big to do the birth canal but the group I was with wasn't

crimedog

9:41am

The birth canal was definitely freaky though.

inertiaman

9:46am

They should reopen Gollum's Cave in Provo. Sounded awesome.

Wife_Apologist

9:46am

Very very different caves. Nutty Putty was relatively safe. Jones broke a number of huge spelunking rules and used

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

9:54am

What were some of the rules he broke and bad judgment he used? Honest

kos

10:08am

The biggest one was "if you don't know where you're going, don't go."

volleyjiver

10:21am

He went into an unexplored section of the cave he was unfamiliar with, and then instead of turning around he went head

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

10:27am

Didn't somebody die in that cave in the 90s? Got stuck in a tunnel and drowned?

cougarmeister

11:01am

2005

Wife_Apologist

11:56am

I went through it less than a month before they died.

dYrtbYkerYder

3:22pm

You think dangerous enough to close?

Wife_Apologist

3:49pm

There was oxygen in the chamber when I went, so it seemed fine.

dYrtbYkerYder

3:55pm

Definitely was better the smaller you were. I went in a few times post growth spurt just because I didn't want to look

mokelembembe

9:58am

It was so much fun.

Mufasa

9:59am

100% agreed. I remember being so pissed they closed it. Just close all the roads

RUNBYU1

10:03am

I get your point, but those reactions aren't exactly equivalent.

Jeffacka

10:36am

The world is a big place with lots of people

stonecougar

10:25am

Amen. It was the first date with my wife. I took multiple groups there myself and I'm no caver.

CSoul

10:56am

Who was the landowner? Maybe they were just tired of the liability.

Reasonable1

11:45am

It's State Trust land

RUNBYU1

12:42pm

Does the state have liability for people that die inside?

Reasonable1

12:53pm

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