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Apr 30, 2024
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BlueFever
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Let's put it this way: BYU is no longer the "Quarterback Factory"
and it never will be under this current regime. It's time to upgrade the HC and OC positions to go along with our upgraded conference.
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Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 8:52am
Isaac Wilson has no connection to BYU?
mulletino
Apr 30, 8:53am
He is who I was referring to when I said, “or even worse, is a fan of our rival”
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 8:54am
He grew up UofU fan, child of UofU alums and former player. Aside from his
BYUtka
Apr 30, 8:55am
He had 3 brothers play at BYU. One was an all-time great QB & #2 NFL Draft pick
CaliWG
Apr 30, 9:00am
And yet I don’t blame him for not wanting to go to BYU.
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:05am
What are the chances Hammond showed BYU no interest and BYU just moved on
Pretorian
Apr 30, 9:20am
You can only offer one QB a class. If they offered ‘24 QB they risk Isaac
Bobmarleyjr
Apr 30, 11:43pm
Arod offered a half dozen 2024 QBs. Don't be silly.
TexDaddy
May 1, 12:55pm
Who did he offer from 2024?
Bobmarleyjr
May 2, 10:43am
Zero chances that is true. It's not true. He would have accepted a BYU offer.
TexDaddy
May 1, 12:56pm
What are you inferring.
Cougstreak
Apr 30, 12:04pm
RE: And yet I don’t blame him for not wanting to go to BYU.
imdocrob
Apr 30, 4:03pm
Hammond WOULD HAVE served a mission had he gone to BYU.
TexDaddy
May 1, 1:25pm
He still can.
Jeffacka
May 1, 3:14pm
His family tells me he will serve later in life. I'm sure he will.
TexDaddy
May 1, 4:47pm
And yet, all jumped off the BYU ship
1984coug
Apr 30, 9:24am
He was an open book about wanting to forge his own path
stansburycoug
Apr 30, 11:57am
One, ZW was not an all-time great (2020 was a hoax) and Two, he recommended Utah
CallSign
Apr 30, 1:00pm
Which is why it’s more perplexing if Arod went all in recruiting him and didn’t
cougaman
Apr 30, 9:05am
We literally signed all of Isaac’s brothers
Zombre
Apr 30, 8:54am
All that shows is how obsessed Arod was with signing a QB who is a ute fan and
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 8:55am
lol k
Zombre
Apr 30, 8:56am
Because Will Hammond was actually a BYU fan
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 8:57am
Will Hammond was never interested in going to BYU.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:04am
You are in denial.
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:07am
His family and friends may have wanted him at BYU.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:12am
Do you know Will?
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:15am
I know what he said.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:17am
So you are basing this on second hand sources just like I am
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:20am
I never mentioned a source.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:23am
If you don’t know Will, and he hasn’t said publicly that he was never interested
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:26am
So you're making these claims without firsthand knowledge/sources? What?
HarlemCoug
Apr 30, 10:48am
Apparently Jeffacka knows better than Hammonds friends & family
BYU Fan
Apr 30, 2:52pm
Another CBer close to the family says otherwise
Preppy
Apr 30, 9:17am
Exactly.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:19am
No, I'm saying other reports were that Hammond DID want BYU.
Preppy
Apr 30, 9:35am
If he REALLY wanted to be at BYU, I have a feeling he would be there
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
Apr 30, 9:40am
Haha. Lots of kids want to play at xyz school...but won't if not offered.
Preppy
Apr 30, 9:58am
I’m sure
Ghost Pirate LeChuck
Apr 30, 1:56pm
Yes, reports from people who wanted him at BYU. Will just wasn't interested.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:44am
Not what I hear a couple years ago.
Preppy
Apr 30, 10:25am
I find it a little hard to believe an LDS kid who traveled to go to BYU's camps
CameronG
Apr 30, 9:27am
Lots of kids go to camps at different colleges.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:45am
Pay to travel from Texas to Utah every year to go to a school's camp you have no
CameronG
Apr 30, 9:48am
Going to camps is hardly a waste of time.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:53am
Stop. The. Spin.
vabeachcoug
Apr 30, 1:09pm
You're the friends and family I'm referring to.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 2:46pm
And you are the 1 of the spinsters
vabeachcoug
Apr 30, 3:02pm
Lemon suckers always complain.
refunder
Apr 30, 12:35pm
Every BYU QB ARod has recruited/coached has played in the NFL or has a chance to
Gorgias
Apr 30, 8:58am
Did he recruit wilson and hall?
Deleted
Apr 30, 8:59am
Kalani saved Zach Wilson. Hall committed to Detmer, IIRC
deliciousmocha
Apr 30, 9:07am
There's success getting QB's into the NFL, but getting QB's into the NFL that
BlueFever
Apr 30, 9:05am
That part of it has little to nothing to do with BYU.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:19am
Uh-huh. Of course, if Zach and Jaren were tearing it up in the NFL
BlueFever
Apr 30, 9:39am
It has nothing to do with training and development in the NFL.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 9:48am
Huh?
BlueFever
Apr 30, 10:20am
Whether or not someone is successful in the NFL has little to do with
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 11:44am
You place almost zero value on college football when
BlueFever
Apr 30, 1:13pm
You're not understanding.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 5:10pm
So you're saying Zach Wilson would be in the exact same situation
BlueFever
Apr 30, 6:29pm
I didn't say anything about Zach Wilson.
Jeffacka
Apr 30, 7:24pm
You don't have to say anything about Zach Wilson. It could be Trey Lance or
BlueFever
May 1, 8:17am
Good job making things up that I never stated.
Jeffacka
May 1, 3:43pm
That exact same statement could be said about every single college coach
Pretorian
Apr 30, 9:23am
Let's put it this way: BYU is no longer the "Quarterback Factory"
BlueFever
Apr 30, 9:45am
You must consider how byu came to be the QB factory….
Pretorian
Apr 30, 11:07am
So just camp at the portal with KS & ARod and hope one of the broken QB's will
BlueFever
Apr 30, 2:55pm
If BYU has been getting NFL caliber QBs with Arod then something has to be going alright.
greatbam
Apr 30, 11:31am
You seem to be attributing Hall and Wilson going to the NFL because of Arod — yet the guy has a dozen guys on the roster
Zach Morris
Apr 30, 9:29am
Zach is the only one, the rest were Bronco's. Zach may have been more Grimes
coolblue
Apr 30, 10:05am
ARod actually has recruited 0 players to BYU at QB who've played in the league
stansburycoug
Apr 30, 1:25pm
Kalani recruited those guys
runningryan
Apr 30, 7:58pm
the "no connection to BYU" thing sounds silly to me
Belboz
Apr 30, 9:06am
Barring a miracle turn around (& a complete change in philosophy/culture) he and sitake are gone by end of ‘25
byuTX
Apr 30, 9:27am
I hope it is 24 and not 25
Deleted
Apr 30, 9:28am
Unless there’s a scandal, even a 1-win season won’t cost sitake’s job IMO. But will probably be enough to fire ARod
byuTX
Apr 30, 9:31am
Why keep a lame duck coach?
BYU Fan
Apr 30, 10:59am
Reduce the buyout, hoping he turns it around, don't want to hurt feelings, etc (Not saying I agree FYI)
byuTX
Apr 30, 12:47pm
Those seem like great ways to kill a program
BYU Fan
Apr 30, 2:36pm
They'd say it's also a way to save money, though in the long run it is likely to be much more costly
byuTX
Apr 30, 2:58pm
Based on offseason recruiting neither one of them look like someone interested in keeping their job
runningryan
Apr 30, 8:16pm
If he survives another year I will be shocked
Heath Squashwell
Apr 30, 9:28am
There is no indication he gets it
runningryan
Apr 30, 8:17pm
My issue with the recruitment of Isaac Wilson was that Kalani and ARod specifically choose to not recruit another...
Coug
Apr 30, 9:29am
Like you said, all evidence points to Kalani being an organizational mess
mudpupper
Apr 30, 9:57am
We're going into year 9 of his tenure & there's serious questions/doubt about
gopman
Apr 30, 11:49am
I agree with you, gopman. We're going into year 9
BYUJoJo
Apr 30, 7:37pm
I am on team Jay Hill after 1 season
MrSandman
Apr 30, 11:37am
Kalani not being organized will be why Tom will have to make a decision
gopman
Apr 30, 11:48am
Should have learned from the Utes. What was that dude's name they made promises to & missed on Zach because of it?
Soupie
Apr 30, 6:34pm
RE: My issue with the recruitment of Isaac Wilson was that Kalani and ARod
TexDaddy
May 1, 1:23pm
And yet Roderick coached ZW and JH. He gets no credit for that? And Slovis wasn't bad, the Oline just sucked
BYU Grounds
Apr 30, 9:34am
This post is about recruiting. He gets credit for recruiting Zach Wilson but
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 9:36am
And Grimes was the one in the Wilson's living room recruiting him the second he was hired...
Coug
Apr 30, 9:40am
He didn’t recruit Wilson did he? ZW signed before Arod was hired IIRC
byuTX
Apr 30, 9:40am
Zach Wilson signed his LOI on December 21st to BYU. ARod was hired as QB coach on Dec 28th.
Coug
Apr 30, 9:46am
No, Arod doesn’t get any credit for them just like it’s not his fault when others don’t make the NFL. The idea of giving
Zach Morris
Apr 30, 9:40am
Here and below you are misrepresenting coaching. It is both, recruit/development
NYC and Japan
Apr 30, 10:08am
He did a good job as qb coach with ZW and keeping that momentum going with Hall
palangi
Apr 30, 9:47am
I tend to agree
nova_coug_fan
Apr 30, 9:39am
Let's not forget the non-existent run game early on when Slovis was under center, teams went all in on defending the
dingus79
Apr 30, 9:51am
Those are fair points, but they still point back to coaching issues
nova_coug_fan
Apr 30, 10:30am
I agree with coaching issues, we had a talented o-line and good enough running backs to be more productive, I think it
dingus79
Apr 30, 10:32am
RE: Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster
OldFogey
Apr 30, 9:44am
Why don't we save our collective outrage for a few years and see what Will
StantonMac
Apr 30, 9:50am
Fans haven’t learned the lesson that star rating of a QB often doesn’t correlate
donnerstag
Apr 30, 10:56am
Hammond is at TTU and after Spring is QB3 of 5, beat out 2 incumbents.
TexDaddy
May 1, 1:15pm
Has someone charted where BYU runs their plays? Middle of the field seems ...
KCFan85
Apr 30, 10:04am
I commend him for going after the big targets. LaVell had great success with
Dwide_Schrude
Apr 30, 10:05am
I’m fine with that as long as he isn’t neglecting LDS QBs like he is right now
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 10:09am
This level of handwringing
Fido
Apr 30, 10:23am
Opinion: Unless A-rod shows a "massive" turn around at OC this yr, fire him.
BleedCougarBlue2
Apr 30, 11:03am
Who needs Yewts?
MadHawaiian
Apr 30, 11:04am
Fair point, but he definitely should have gone after Isaac Wilson
Hill4Heisman
Apr 30, 11:10am
I would blame Kalani before Arod. Chow, Anae, Doman, Detmer...we eat our own.
Parker Schnabel
Apr 30, 11:14am
Who did he miss on that lit it up already somewhere else?
Thrill
Apr 30, 11:31am
Jaxson Dart
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 11:33am
As expected.
Parker Schnabel
Apr 30, 12:58pm
On this happy note let us ignore Zach Wilson and Jaron Hall...
BYUFootballRocks1
Apr 30, 11:40am
Neither of whom were recruited by Arod…
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 12:20pm
That’s a lazy argument by cougarboard
I'mBatman
Apr 30, 7:56pm
Hand ringers
Beetdiggercoug
Apr 30, 11:46am
What about Enoch Watson?
2FarGone
Apr 30, 12:45pm
BYU is his only offer so he isn’t a great get until he shows
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 12:51pm
Conover had tons of offers. How did that work out for us?
2FarGone
Apr 30, 1:04pm
Thats why you try to sign more than one good recruit in your 6 years as OC
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 1:18pm
This post is a disaster.
ghettomagic
Apr 30, 1:11pm
What you are saying only reinforces my point: Arod’s qb recruiting is horrible
CaliforniaCougar22
Apr 30, 1:17pm
Utah got Isaac Because They Recruited Him Better Than BYU
ghettomagic
Apr 30, 1:29pm
I doubt that BYU could have gotten Isaac. Heck, his dad played at the U. The
84 natlchamps
Apr 30, 6:28pm
Isaac Wilson would transfer if they didn’t make him the backup, that’s the
palangi
Apr 30, 6:43pm
Mostly agree, but Isaac Wilson, come on?
lilpenny
Apr 30, 1:44pm
BYU could have come out guns a blazin' recruiting Isaac and Isaac would have
84 natlchamps
Apr 30, 6:35pm
Corrections: 1)Several issues with the claims that Will Hammond wanted byu all
ColonelMustard
Apr 30, 2:34pm
Dylan Dunn is going to be great!!!
The Natural
Apr 30, 3:32pm
This post will probably be triggering to the doomsdayers. You're welcome to skip
MaxxPower
Apr 30, 5:07pm
Well he’s going to crash and burn this year
runningryan
Apr 30, 8:04pm
Recruiting's a guessing game. Our top-rated QB recruits (Jake Heaps, Ben Olson,
TrueBlue58
Apr 30, 9:27pm
RE: Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster
TexDaddy
May 1, 12:54pm
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