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Oct 2, 2023
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SalmonOfCapistrano
All-American
gosh. Go back. The question has the word "net" in it. The answer is Nebraska.
I never mention true success rate ANYWHERE
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BYU won despite being dead last
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
10/2/23 11:09am
2 TOs leading to 14 pts did the trick.
Turnpike Lane
10/2/23 11:10am
Explain the net success rate to me.
IdahoCoug
10/2/23 11:12am
RE: Explain the net success rate to me.
foofcoug
10/2/23 11:24am
Thanks.
IdahoCoug
10/2/23 11:24am
That’s not the same version he uses. His is just a binary % of plays with +EPA
molodyets
10/2/23 4:07pm
Tried googling it. Seems there's several different ways people define it.
Corn Pop
10/2/23 11:25am
RE: Tried googling it. Seems there's several different ways people define it.
foofcoug
10/2/23 11:29am
I think I understand it now. It's the winner's success rate relative to the
Corn Pop
10/2/23 11:55am
Thank you
ColonelMustard
10/2/23 4:13pm
He doesn't place "one of the teams at zero". The losing team is placed at zero
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:06pm
The losing team isn't one of the teams?
Corn Pop
10/2/23 12:10pm
Of course, but it's not randomly selecting "ONE OF the teams". It's the losing
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:17pm
You rushed in to "actually", but "actually" the losing team is one of the teams.
Corn Pop
10/2/23 12:20pm
It's not random. It's the LOSING team.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:24pm
Perhaps you should see this post, which came 11 minutes before your first post:
Corn Pop
10/2/23 12:28pm
You're welcome for providing you help
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:45pm
Well, it's been 40 minutes and you still haven't figured out the losing team
Corn Pop
10/2/23 12:59pm
Nice try, Pop Corn.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:04pm
Hack 😀
nephicoug
10/2/23 11:12am
every team that isn't on the 0 line won the game, so by definition,
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:13am
They’re dead last in that chart.
Indy Coug
10/2/23 11:16am
by your definition, "dead last" means "furthest to the left" ?
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:18am
Is -.10 less or more than 0 in your opinion?
byuTX
10/2/23 11:19am
I don't think you understand the graph. The losing team is 0 every single time
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:25am
And what team had the lowest net success rate from last weekend's games? I think you're new to this graph/stat
byuTX
10/2/23 11:27am
Nebraska.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:32am
To help you understand, note how one team in each game is 0
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:46am
And of all the winning programs, who had the lowest net success rate?
byuTX
10/2/23 11:49am
lol. Glad you finally get it. Now go back and read Indy's post.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:56am
I think you're new to this graph. It's listed this way to help gamblers know which teams are trustworthy (Michigan
byuTX
10/2/23 11:59am
I don't care how it's used. "BYU won despite being dead last" << this is the
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 12:03pm
also, I'm pretty sure gamblers would care more about a graph in this format:
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 12:06pm
Gamblers would use a tootsie pop wrapper if they thought it gave them an edge. But I've seen tweets like Indy's every
byuTX
10/2/23 12:11pm
It's ok you didn't know
byuTX
10/2/23 12:10pm
That's not even necessarily accurate
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:44pm
I assume you're talking about "success rate." He says "net," so it's accurate.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 12:45pm
Nah, it's relative to the opponent.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:04pm
"what team had the lowest net success rate" is the question
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:10pm
No, I'm not. To tell you understand why I'll ask you question.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:24pm
"net" success rate is the difference between the two teams in the game.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:28pm
You're getting it!!! Doesn't mean Nebraska's TRUE success rate was necessarily
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:31pm
gosh. Go back. The question has the word "net" in it. The answer is Nebraska.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:32pm
Net and gross aren't appropriate words in this scenario. Margin or relative
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:34pm
the heck is wrong with you? "you're wrong" then you go on to explain why I'm
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:35pm
Stop gaslighting. I'm right and you're wrong.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:37pm
RE: Stop gaslighting. I'm right and you're wrong.
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:40pm
You are. Net has no meaning here. Differential compared to Michigan's does.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:46pm
<< Deleted >>
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 1:40pm
Dead last of teams that won.
All-American
10/2/23 11:18am
yes, but by Indy's phrasing that's not what he meant. "*despite* being dead last
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:19am
Right. An important clarification. Moving on.
All-American
10/2/23 11:20am
They’re leftmost in the graph — therefore they’re last.
Indy Coug
10/2/23 11:20am
If you removed byu, then your same statement would apply to Utah State
SalmonOfCapistrano
10/2/23 11:21am
Former username checks out
Indy Coug
10/2/23 11:24am
Last among winning teams
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:03pm
This is the thing that concerns me. I'm sure the Arkansas game would look like this too
darkcoug
10/2/23 11:26am
We were negative against Arkansas as well.
rcbyufan
10/2/23 11:48am
Doom.......doom!
TNT
10/2/23 2:02pm
How this guy is defining "success rate" isn't overly correlated with winning
HairyCougar
10/2/23 12:09pm
We almost won 42-20 (bad snap ugh). There's more to football than this stat.
puntersarepeople
10/2/23 12:18pm
Yes. That's why about 40% of the teams that were negative actually won.
HairyCougar
10/2/23 1:05pm
Too many dang ten yard runs given up.
Genghis Spreads
10/2/23 2:40pm
Teams have played 4-5 games. Quality of competition varies. I'm concerned but
cdr88
10/2/23 4:12pm
I found a pretty sweet stat that explains how BYU won.
canuckchuck
10/2/23 4:14pm
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