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May 26, 2022
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Big Daddy D
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Interesting that the kid left one Ingersoll to play for his brother.
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The Utah County Rules of open enrollment so kids can move to other schools to
The Old Y
5/25/22 12:32am
Sometimes it's not about just winning a championship but to actually get
ManicBlue
5/25/22 12:48am
It is about winning. Don’t fool yourself. And equating academics with auxiliary
The Old Y
5/25/22 1:12am
Transferring schools does not guarantee winning anything. You can believe what you want but
ManicBlue
5/25/22 1:31am
LOL.. come on man.. it's all about winning
byukarl
5/25/22 9:21am
How many teams win championships each year? ONE.
ManicBlue
5/25/22 10:22am
AF wins XC and Track all the time taking PG kids
byukarl
5/25/22 11:30am
What exactly is your point?
ManicBlue
5/25/22 11:38am
I added some additional info in my previous reply
byukarl
5/25/22 11:41am
RE: I added some additional info in my previous reply
ManicBlue
5/25/22 11:51am
He said championships but others are saying winning. People transfer to win and
ColonelMustard
5/25/22 3:27pm
I don't have a problem with kids trying to put themselves in the best situation
ManicBlue
5/25/22 4:01pm
It’s actually a lot more about recruiting than winning. Obviously
cougfanz
5/25/22 6:15am
I agree on recruiting. Winning helps but so does getting playing time early.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:20am
I disagree with this theory. In 2022 if a kid has the talent and goes to
Nagurski
5/25/22 10:07am
A lot of that also takes money which not every parent can afford.
ManicBlue
5/25/22 10:23am
True, it also depends on the sport. We did not and have not done a lot of
Nagurski
5/25/22 1:56pm
What position did your son play? There's some positions where this can hold
fattycoug
5/25/22 11:15am
Agree.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 11:59am
Fair point, but camps will remove that barrier quickly.
Nagurski
5/25/22 1:54pm
they can but if you, ultimately, don't have film it makes it harder. Sure, the
fattycoug
5/25/22 2:06pm
Sometimes.
cougfanz
5/25/22 11:20am
Yeah.. they run the times.. show up in camp.. exactly
byukarl
5/25/22 11:49am
More about talent development opportunities, which can lead to wins
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 10:42am
It's too bad that all schools don't put the same emphasis on academics
Kid_A
5/25/22 7:09am
It’s hard to tell what the emphasis on academics is unless you have a kid on the
MVPlayer
5/25/22 8:37am
It’s not a county thing, it’s state law. It happens everywhere. And the biggest
Scratch
5/25/22 12:56am
Using that logic couldn't you also say you are giving another kid an opportunity
SUAVO
5/25/22 6:09am
The rules aren’t exclusive to top athletes.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:18am
This is ultimately why we decided not to enroll at a school farther from us.
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 10:44am
The UHSAA has zero say in those kinds of things
pastyute
5/25/22 5:43am
One point missed. Playing time.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:12am
My kids go to a school were it is almost impossible to get in, and the academics are off the charts, so everybody wants
doctorcoug
5/25/22 6:22am
Where is this? Utah?
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:27am
what academic school in Utah County is off the charts and everyone wants to go
BYUheaven
5/25/22 9:31am
I don't know the varsity level teams, but I know the underclass well. AF is stacked, they cut kids that would be stars
doctorcoug
5/25/22 6:15am
Yep.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:23am
Davis County is also open enrollment, no different from the rest of Utah
palangi
5/25/22 6:55am
It’s not that they don’t allow it, but the culture here isn’t transfer
The Old Y
5/25/22 8:18am
If it is allowed and Davis just doesn't do it, your entire premise crumbles
reddead
5/25/22 9:14am
Ha. Sounds like your kid transferred to win. Good luck!
The Old Y
5/25/22 9:43am
I'm too young for that.. But I went to HS in that area, so I'm admittedly biased
reddead
5/25/22 9:48am
your post "the Utah county rules for open enrollment". reddead is correct, your
palangi
5/25/22 9:48am
It's interesting that none of the Utah County Dad defenders on here aren't
The Old Y
5/25/22 10:34am
You're missing the point. Vs Davis, many of the UT Co schools are better
reddead
5/25/22 10:48am
No. Your point isn't a good one or accurate. There are 50+ 5A/6A teams and
The Old Y
5/25/22 11:06am
You're claiming that Davis Co kids are the loyalist kids in the country. It's
palangi
5/25/22 11:24am
Well, you've jumped the shark now. See you around!
The Old Y
5/25/22 11:36am
This is silly; you're taking this way too personal
reddead
5/25/22 11:54am
It's a great point. Dominant high schools will always be in locations
cougfanz
5/25/22 12:07pm
I mean, you've literally spent the last hour trying to talk about my OP, but yea
The Old Y
5/25/22 12:10pm
Why would anyone deny it's happening when it clearly is?
fattycoug
5/25/22 10:54am
Transfers happen, it's just not limited to Utah county. It's not limited to UT
palangi
5/25/22 11:16am
You: kids in Utah county are transferring to winning teams because
The Old Y
5/25/22 11:33am
Dude your OP was about Utah county rules for open enrollment needing to change
palangi
5/25/22 11:53am
Me: the kids in Davis county don't do it. And the parents/admin/UHSAA who
The Old Y
5/25/22 11:55am
except kids in Davis county do do it. (though, most of the ones I know
fattycoug
5/25/22 1:51pm
That only bolsters my point. UHSAA should care that equitability is leaving
The Old Y
5/25/22 2:37pm
South SL and Northern UT County is different, so you're wrong there. The culture
palangi
5/25/22 9:42am
yep. The four or five best football teams the last years have been LP, CC, AF,
BYUheaven
5/25/22 9:59am
I know personally talking to PG XC coach that Baseball team benefits
byukarl
5/25/22 11:50am
of course they are recruiting. My point being is The Old Y thinks Utah
BYUheaven
5/25/22 11:58am
Don’t you mean Region 4?
Dr. 91coug
5/25/22 2:40pm
PG Vikings youth baseball. A recruiting pipeline
doctorcoug
5/25/22 12:40pm
See: Timpview Baseball
The Old Y
5/25/22 10:00am
Orem has a very competitive and organized youth baseball league. Provo has
BYUheaven
5/25/22 10:04am
Yeah baseball kids don't move or transfer to Timpview,they've sucked for many yr
palangi
5/25/22 10:09am
Everything is RMSB now anyways. You got kids in Weber county going to play comp
The Old Y
5/25/22 10:23am
Orem Youth league starts at 6 and then the good kids start to get picked off for
BYUheaven
5/25/22 10:30am
I agree, except it's not the state, it's the country. Youth sports have jumped
palangi
5/25/22 10:46am
and everything is not RMSB these days. RMSB is still big in Northern Utah but
BYUheaven
5/25/22 11:36am
Wasatch Baseball has also gotten really big in the midweek scene.
Scratch
5/25/22 11:41am
Yep, wasatch baseball, SLCC 14u league, out of state tournaments, and
BYUheaven
5/25/22 11:44am
Then how come Provo high fields a decent team?
doctorcoug
5/25/22 10:23am
The 7-19 last in region Provo hs baseball team?
palangi
5/25/22 10:30am
But they aren't Timpview bad. Provo is competitive. Timpview sees the other team's JV squad.
doctorcoug
5/25/22 10:43am
They are decent when the coach has a kid in the program. I think he has one in a
BYUheaven
5/25/22 10:36am
Coaching. Better history which keeps athletes in the pipeline.. outside
cougfanz
5/25/22 11:29am
I don't get your playing time/super team argument. Can't have it both ways. To
palangi
5/25/22 10:27am
"Playing Time" is a reference to the excuse parents give to play on a superteam.
The Old Y
5/25/22 2:31pm
you're simply being too broad with your strokes. There's lots of different
fattycoug
5/25/22 2:37pm
Nonsense. That kid should have been loyal to corner canyon and road the bench
BYUheaven
5/25/22 2:43pm
you can't even get to Snow that way, though
fattycoug
5/25/22 2:46pm
Cute. But he didn't get offered to Snow College if he didn't start as a Junior.
The Old Y
5/25/22 2:47pm
I accept your criticism. But my point was my stroke. And there are more than a
The Old Y
5/25/22 2:44pm
It absolutely is happening but if oyu have open enrollment for academics I'm not
fattycoug
5/25/22 3:00pm
Thanks for admitting it. As a parent, how do you not choose the best route for
The Old Y
5/26/22 10:56am
No it’s because Utah County people are living right on and off the field.
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 10:47am
State rules control transferring. UHSAA is king here. Davis doesn't play by
Iron Coug
5/25/22 6:28am
Interesting. Can individuals donate to pay coaches more?
Cougstreak
5/25/22 6:33am
As a coach in Alpine where can I get this significantly more you speak of?
Adwight
5/25/22 6:50am
I have very direct knowledge of coaches pay and this man speaks the truth. Pay for coaches is for nada. For the love of
doctorcoug
5/25/22 7:11am
You get it through your camps. Can boost your income with camps depending on
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 1:08pm
Any system that does not allow for success and failure is destined to fail
coolblue
5/25/22 7:09am
Jaxon Dart.. Roy -> Corner Canyon -> USC -> Ole Miss
TheLost
5/25/22 7:32am
Exactly, it is about PT.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 8:07am
Dart didn’t go to CC for playing time. He was already playing at Roy. He went
NWCoug
5/25/22 8:24am
He went to Roy for PT not CC. No way he goes to Roy if PT was not involved, don't kid yourself.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 8:53am
... He started at Roy. How much more playing time can you get?
Blusox
5/25/22 8:24am
He went to Roy for PT and CC for exposure/not championships.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 8:53am
Yes, Dart was a Farmington kid(so it is happening in Davis County) went to Roy
palangi
5/25/22 9:54am
These kinds of comments always baffle me…
Vernon Dozier
5/25/22 8:02am
Maddux Madsen, starting QB at AF in the Fall, signed with Boise state, started last night for Lehi. Maybe they moved...
doctorcoug
5/25/22 8:17am
That kind of stuff is definitely weird. Doesn't seem to fit into the rules
fattycoug
5/25/22 8:20am
I was a state champion, all-state athlete. You would have to chop off my fingers before I moved schools to compete at
doctorcoug
5/25/22 8:24am
Agree, but team sports are different.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 9:06am
However, you could easily argue that Mountain View coaches (depending on when..Dave Houle)
TheLoneCougar
5/25/22 9:14am
Houle, Arbogast, Kuhlmann. Best of the best. And this is a great point.
doctorcoug
5/25/22 10:17am
The beauty of “clock-based” sports
cougfanz
5/25/22 9:48am
Same here on all accounts. What years did you run? Maybe we know each other.
RUNBYU1
5/25/22 10:15am
Loophole for Maddux…
Vernon Dozier
5/25/22 8:31am
Yep. This is the game, “playing time”
The Old Y
5/25/22 8:37am
I looked into this...you need to be the head coach to be able to do this. Maybe it has changed in the last 4 years. For
doctorcoug
5/25/22 8:50am
Madsen's younger brother also plays for Lehi. Maddux wanted to play with his
BYUheaven
5/25/22 9:07am
Interesting that the kid left one Ingersoll to play for his brother.
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 1:12pm
Dad is a coach at Lehi and his brothers played there
Baseball77
5/25/22 12:16pm
If you're going to rail against something, at least be right about it.
fattycoug
5/25/22 8:12am
I wished my kids could have played one sport where
BillyGoat
5/25/22 8:18am
Honestly, usually it's not about winning. It's about lazy recruiting scouts visiting 2-3 schools in an area.
Marc Spector
5/25/22 8:37am
I can see high school sports going away in 10 years
Blusox
5/25/22 8:43am
For a while, I was scared high school football was going away with all the
crack
5/25/22 9:12am
No way. High school sports are here to stay. Schools and communities need them.
Big Daddy D
5/26/22 1:44pm
Basketball and football are still pretty strong,
Blusox
6/5/22 7:50pm
When kids transfer, do they have to sit out? I think in AZ the first transfer
crack
5/25/22 9:11am
You can enroll in any school whenever you want. If you have played sports at
fattycoug
5/25/22 9:14am
But, you can still play JV and develop. You only sit varisty.
doctorcoug
5/25/22 10:46am
In AZ, they can't play at all. At least, I believe that's the rule.
crack
5/25/22 1:10pm
Man, really ruffled some Utah County dads feathers here. #UtahCountyBoard
The Old Y
5/25/22 9:45am
You haven't been reading any of the posts huh?
ManicBlue
5/25/22 10:46am
You guys think open enrollment is bad in 5A 6A try being a rural 3A and 2A
Baseball77
5/25/22 12:18pm
I've noticed this before. I can't imagine being Ogden and saying, hey,
The Old Y
5/25/22 12:44pm
It is generally always towards those with means.
Cougstreak
5/25/22 12:48pm
As a head Baseball coach at 6A Davis County school here’s my 2 cents
jkgteg
5/25/22 1:16pm
This is great insight coach. So the rules are/were different. Makes sense to me.
The Old Y
5/25/22 1:23pm
RE: This is great insight coach. So the rules are/were different. Makes sense to
jkgteg
5/25/22 1:34pm
100% True. We have 4 or 5 teammates whose dads played on the same team 25 years
The Old Y
5/25/22 1:37pm
He hit the nail on the head. MWB and RA baseball academy are producing some
BYUheaven
5/25/22 1:40pm
RE: He hit the nail on the head. MWB and RA baseball academy are producing some
jkgteg
5/25/22 1:47pm
We've played with a few of the Freemont kids, they drove to UC for the YardDawgs
The Old Y
5/25/22 1:53pm
Good luck on setting that up. More quality training is good for the whole state
BYUheaven
5/25/22 2:03pm
No one is talking about the open enrollment gorilla at AF.
Dr. 91coug
5/25/22 2:49pm
Lucy Wallin from Rowland Hall...freshman 1st singles state champ. She ended up going to Skyline (I think) the next year
doctorcoug
5/25/22 1:40pm
Its fine to go to the right school!
sailorcoug11
5/25/22 12:50pm
Same way where I live and I hate it
zerome4sooners
5/25/22 2:22pm
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