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Jan 27, 2022
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gretsch
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900 in 1981 is equivalent to 2760 today
A 1200sqft 2bed 1bath home built in 1945 in my city here in Utah is listed on Zillow for 570K or approx 2560/mo.
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Everything about today’s economy is better than what Ifaced as a young newlywed.
Lifi
1/27/22 5:29pm
Housing inventory is at an ALL TIME LOW. This isn’t the 70’s or 80’s. Sorry
The_Cuss
1/27/22 5:36pm
^^^^Excuse^^^^
Lifi
1/27/22 5:39pm
What were home prices then vs now
Deleted
1/27/22 5:41pm
I made $900/month. So what does the home price matter. It’s all relative
Lifi
1/27/22 5:47pm
What percentage of your income went toward your mortgage?
aplusfan
1/27/22 5:50pm
$550 month.
Lifi
1/27/22 5:56pm
This chart shows the base pay for an E4 in 1981
Wingnut
1/27/22 6:01pm
900 in 1981 is equivalent to 2760 today
gretsch
1/27/22 8:52pm
Complaining that all of your wealth is tied up in property is also an excuse. Your home should never be considered
unctoothman
1/27/22 5:47pm
Tell that to millions of blue collar Americans who have naught but their homes.
Lifi
1/27/22 5:58pm
Tell that to the tens of millions of blue collar workers who can’t afford homes
valleus
1/27/22 6:00pm
And that's the point there. It's entirely a matter of perspective.
unctoothman
1/27/22 6:29pm
Thank goodness it is not the 70's or 80's. But there are legitimate concerns for both eras.
Wingnut
1/27/22 5:41pm
Yeah housing being one of them. The avg price to income in 2021 is 5.4x
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:11pm
Go find somebody else to argue with. I am firmly on the side of the guy who survived as an E4 in the Air Force in 1980.
Wingnut
1/27/22 6:13pm
RE: Go find somebody else to argue with. I am firmly on the side of the guy who
The_Cuss
1/28/22 3:14pm
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Forest Green
1/27/22 5:47pm
Your feelings about this are similar to mine when it comes to student loans. I worked my butt off to pay off
MHOP
1/27/22 5:41pm
LOL, someone with a pension lecturing those of us who have to save 10+%
chago04
1/27/22 5:48pm
You made your choices
Wingnut
1/27/22 5:51pm
Yeah, since EVERYONE is given the same opportunities and choices. LOL
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:17pm
The Military is probably the least discriminatory career choice. Available to just about anyone.
kccougar
1/27/22 7:48pm
Unless you're fat or have health issues
Wingnut
1/27/22 7:55pm
“But pensions” is a dumb distraction. While there are very few jobs that offer
Abe Froman
1/27/22 7:56pm
Pension?! And you could afford to buy a house as an E4?? You had it good.
valleus
1/27/22 5:54pm
RE: Everything about today’s economy is better than what Ifaced as a young newlywed.
spinner
1/27/22 6:00pm
It's pretty well established that housing costs have skyrocketed while median
jamfam
1/27/22 6:04pm
houses are also much bigger
Gente_Boa
1/27/22 6:07pm
Lol, look at the graph, it’s not just about the price. It’s about the income.
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:13pm
Exactly this.I shared The same article above. It’s nothing like the 80s. Worse
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:13pm
There is truth to this. But everyone GLADLY accepted the government handouts
Coug Dude
1/27/22 10:38pm
I generally agree with almost everything you post, but have a few counterpoints
reddead
1/27/22 6:06pm
Thank you! It’s not the same as the 80s and boomers can’t seem to grasp that.
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:15pm
Great post.
Mitty
1/27/22 6:41pm
That's an excellent point, but concerns about the "millionaire tax" are valid
reddead
1/27/22 10:15pm
Home prices have outpaced incomes but when factoring in interest rates houses do seem to be more affordable now.
NihonCougar
1/27/22 6:06pm
Where did you buy your first home?
LumberCoug
1/27/22 6:11pm
If only it was that simple. Look at home prices vs incomes. Way WORSE now.
The_Cuss
1/27/22 6:16pm
You have to look at payment vs income
teambret
1/27/22 6:48pm
3% on $500k is a way bigger payment than 18% on $100k
Kajdin
1/27/22 7:37pm
You make great points about living within one's means and I applaud your
Mitty
1/27/22 6:52pm
After running the numbers, purchasing a home now is almost identical to 1984 as a % of income.
NihonCougar
1/27/22 7:22pm
Compare 1950-1980 and then 1985 - 2000 to today. 1981-1984
valleus
1/27/22 8:02pm
Here you go. 2022 is obviously a huge jump from 2010-2020 but not drastically different from 1980-2005.
NihonCougar
1/27/22 9:04pm
Affordability however....interest rates in the 80s were outrageous.
CSoul
1/27/22 8:39pm
Mortgage rates were double digit as recently as the 90s.
Abe Froman
1/27/22 9:19pm
Monthly payment as a % of income is.about the same thanks to continued low rates. Hard to think rates stay at a point
unctoothman
1/28/22 7:19am
That’s interesting, especially that there aren’t more dual-income households today. Student loan debt would be one
Odysseus
1/28/22 7:32am
Are you sure on the two-earner household thing?
Mitty
1/28/22 11:18am
Yes, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Women make up a greater % of household income now.
NihonCougar
1/28/22 2:24pm
Huh, I just saw a different graph the other day showing two-income households
Mitty
1/28/22 2:38pm
Yeah it surprised me as well. Let me know if you find something else.
NihonCougar
1/28/22 2:43pm
Don't have hard numbers but just in my extended family alone for example
Mitty
1/28/22 2:56pm
All of my 9 siblings are single income families except the youngest with no kids
BYUFootballisBack
1/28/22 4:07pm
Also all 5 of my wife's siblings are single income families
BYUFootballisBack
1/28/22 4:07pm
I have 6 siblings, all of us are married. 3/7 are single income families.
The_Cuss
1/28/22 8:44pm
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