John was much more talented QB

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Nov 24, 2021
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Ranking the all time BYU QB's

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 10:55am

Your Marc Wilson ranking is not good (but not surprising anymore)

rcbyufan

11/24/21 11:00am

Please explain, You are probably right, but I would like to know why and how you

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:04am

He was an All-American and won the Sammy Baugh trophy. Compared to other guys in

Polemic

11/24/21 11:10am

I can see that, which guys would you put him above? Im not trying to say anyone

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:59am

Only 4 QB's have been selected as consensus All-Americans: You know the other 3

rcbyufan

11/24/21 12:03pm

That’s a good point

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 12:16pm

I'd swap Zach & Max and

Benfica1

11/24/21 11:02am

McMahon should be #1. His body of work is better.

TheWanderer

11/24/21 11:05am

Better than the only Heisman the school has?

Pretorian

11/24/21 12:46pm

Not sure how I would rank them but I have seen each one of them in a game.

Real G Man

11/24/21 11:02am

Having watched all of these guys play in person...It's Jim McMahon, and it's not close...

Bonoman

11/24/21 11:04am

Yeah I was 1 When Jimmy Mac played so my recent bias goes to Ty. When I fell in

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:06am

Agreed. Young and Detmer are in a tie for a distant 2nd place

ALUF 1990

11/24/21 11:08am

I also saw all of these guys play and McMahon is number one.

Oldcougfan

11/24/21 11:34am

1. Mac 2 Young 3 Ty 4 Beck 5 Zach. Based on college only not pro careers. As SY

Forzaitalia

11/24/21 2:34pm

McMahon over Detmer; Beck over Hall; Sarkisian too high; Zach maybe too high

2FarGone

11/24/21 11:09am

Can certainly see that side of it for sure, I debated hard between those my self

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:11am

Max has a way better body of work than John and it’s not close

WP17

11/24/21 1:26pm

John was much more talented QB

2FarGone

11/24/21 2:18pm

Max played in vastly more favorable conditions over his “body of work” and with better receivers at his peak than

mvtoro

11/24/21 2:19pm

Maybe, but results are too hard to ignore here. Max as a BYU QB > John as a BYU QB

WP17

11/24/21 2:24pm

RE: Maybe, but results are too hard to ignore here. Max as a BYU QB > John as a BYU QB

2FarGone

11/24/21 2:28pm

Results in a team sport are a function of team performance. I'll agree that '07-'09 had better teams than '04-'06, but

mvtoro

11/24/21 3:30pm

IMO there are two above the rest

ImaFBfan

11/24/21 11:10am

Lavell put McMahon as No 1 and Detmer and Young as 2a and 2b

2FarGone

11/24/21 11:11am

Any list that does not rank McMahon as number 1 is - with respect - wrong

ArcticKat

11/24/21 11:13am

Only watched replays, and get that. What was the highest rated team that Jim

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:16am

So was the poll about best quarterback talent-wise or best teams played?

ArcticKat

11/24/21 11:23am

I think you have to consider it all, Level of competition beat also tells you

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:56am

I look at it like this: McMahon beat the teams on his schedule and won his two

ArcticKat

11/24/21 12:14pm

Excellent reasoning.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 2:34pm

Don’t know about excellent but it’s my opinion and why this subject is fun

ArcticKat

11/24/21 2:50pm

100%

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 3:03pm

Zach should be #10, #8 at the highest

Alpi Gusto

11/24/21 11:27am

He is a tough one, I can that debate for sure.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 11:53am

Max has the most wins ever, he should be above Wilson. Beck was great his junior and senior years and actually beat

Alpi Gusto

11/24/21 12:09pm

Bosco too high, M Wilson too low (prob 4-6). Carter also too low. Recency bias

Bluforever

11/24/21 11:37am

RE: Ranking the all time BYU QB's

Ammoncougar

11/24/21 12:39pm

I as well

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 2:31pm

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2FarGone

11/24/21 12:44pm

You missed Riley Nelson, Tanner, and Ryan Hancock.

Mabuhay Coug

11/24/21 1:01pm

Agree they belong in that bottom tier with Feterik. Putting them in tiers would

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 2:36pm

Absolutely!

Mabuhay Coug

11/25/21 2:33am

Z Wilson and M Wilson at a tie for #5. Swap McMahon and Detmer's spots. Doman should be higher than Gifford.

lightmann

11/24/21 1:21pm

If you had to choose and can’t do ties

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 2:38pm

Marc. By a hair's width. He had three great seasons and kept McMahon on the bench.

lightmann

11/24/21 2:49pm

Solid, I have to agree, looking over the replies, I need to move Marc up.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

11/24/21 3:04pm

I meant to say Z & M tied for #5 not 6. (edited)

lightmann

11/24/21 3:10pm

McMahon is the BYU 🐐. Detmer is #2.

pistol12

11/24/21 1:49pm

McMahon, Detmer, Young and sometimes I would rank Young higher

Mot

11/24/21 3:22pm

Awesome, thanks

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