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Apr 21, 2021
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Pangare
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^^^^^these are the words I was looking for to differentiate Staley and Unga.
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Who is BYU's RB GOAT? Debating Harvey vs Luke vs Jamaal one more time
climps
4/21/21 9:48am
This wouldn't even be a question if Harvey had played four years
Coop
4/21/21 9:50am
To this I would add...GIANT "what if..." for Ronny Jenkins
Michael McQuain
4/21/21 9:59am
3rd best season by any BYU player (behind Luke '01 and Harvey '07). Big what if
climps
4/21/21 10:18am
I'm with you. When eligible he was great.
oldrugger
4/21/21 10:39am
but he didn't
Pangare
4/21/21 11:30am
And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 11:47am
RE: And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.
Pangare
4/21/21 12:12pm
Anyone who watched Luke Staley play knows he’s the best.
Ham
4/21/21 9:53am
When healthy, Luke Staley was the best. Jamaal and Harvey
Goatnapper'96
4/21/21 9:58am
I think the best requires consistency, duration. Can't be a one hit wonder.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 10:08am
Luke was not really a one hit wonder
Dan
4/21/21 11:32am
Agreed. Freshman year is better than we remember
climps
4/21/21 11:38am
unless that one year was truly spectacular
icecougar
4/21/21 12:17pm
The best for that system built for him.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 10:04am
Also, made of glass
Backcountry
4/21/21 10:04am
Luke was a one season wonder
donnerstag
4/21/21 10:04am
if you ding Luke because of scheme you have to ding Detmer, Young, McMahon..
icecougar
4/21/21 12:13pm
GOAT status requires career achievements
donnerstag
4/21/21 1:38pm
yes but it's not limited to career achievements only especially when...
icecougar
4/21/21 3:08pm
If you have the 9th best scoring season in NCAA history ...
climps
4/21/21 3:29pm
Doak Walker
(Private)
4/21/21 4:26pm
No he wasn't.
idacoug
4/21/21 2:48pm
If you start ranking the best seasons by a RB in BYU history
donnerstag
4/21/21 2:58pm
Zach is a covid season wonder and he's worshipped on here.
MrClark
4/21/21 7:47pm
No question. Luke was the greatest talent, then Jenkins
fulano
4/21/21 10:05am
Staley gets my vote.
oldrugger
4/21/21 10:39am
You nailed it. It isn't even a legit debate in my mind.
ALUF 1990
4/21/21 10:51am
Luuuuuuuke. 7 yards per carry or something like that. And it was legit.
Dr MoBYU
4/21/21 11:34am
Staley has the hardware. Doak. End of discussion
bad84cougar
4/21/21 5:53pm
Harvey
Kama'aina
4/21/21 9:55am
The opinion of a Ute fan: Luke and Harvey tie. Very different
UpperCirqueUte
4/21/21 9:58am
I was very curious about a Ute's opinion, thanks for sharing.
climps
4/21/21 10:11am
Harvey and Luke struck fear in my heart, Jamal not as much. Just my take.
UpperCirqueUte
4/21/21 10:32am
I would also say Luke & Harvery had superior olines
LakeshowCougs
4/21/21 10:16am
I can’t comment on that, but obviously you know a lot better than me, and
UpperCirqueUte
4/21/21 10:31am
Did you play on Utah's team? Staley's 8.1 yards per carry is ridiculous. He did
ALUF 1990
4/21/21 10:55am
His sideline scamper for a TD to beat the Utes was unreal!
lbmango
4/21/21 11:11am
2 TD's and a 2pt conversion in the last couple of minutes to win it
icecougar
4/21/21 12:43pm
Sorry what I wrote was misleading. I was not a player. Edited it to make that
UpperCirqueUte
4/21/21 11:39am
So your college playing career lasted seven years?
CougarThug
4/21/21 11:23am
Unga. And yes, he was better than Staley and Williams.
Backcountry
4/21/21 10:04am
Luke Staley is the best, but the most durable and powerful is Unga.
idacoug
4/21/21 2:46pm
^^^^^these are the words I was looking for to differentiate Staley and Unga.
Pangare
4/21/21 3:23pm
Luke was more explosive, Unga more durable seemed to be the best at always
kotacoug
4/21/21 10:05am
Jamaal Williams. His senior yr tipped him over the top for me
D.T. Survivor
4/21/21 10:21am
Doesn't Pete VonValkenberg still hold the season record. No. 1 in the nation?
oldrugger
4/21/21 10:41am
My long take on Pete, fwiw
climps
4/21/21 11:16am
IMO, 6 backs belong in tier 1: Unga, Williams, Staley, Jenkins, Willis, Brown
The Y's Insider
4/21/21 10:43am
This is pretty much how I ended up thinking about it too
climps
4/21/21 12:08pm
I love all those guys, but it’s Luke Staley by a mile. He had an extra gear.
TunaNoCrust
4/21/21 10:44am
Jenkins was faster and shiftier than Luke
donnerstag
4/21/21 10:54am
factor in size and goal line ability and it starts to tilt this in Luke's...
icecougar
4/21/21 12:25pm
And everything else to go with it as far as system and personnel.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 3:37pm
Staley...no question
zerome4sooners
4/21/21 11:07am
FYI here's a rapid fire summary of the post with my answers to the questions
climps
4/21/21 11:12am
if you could pick either Luke, Harvey, or Jamaal as a 2022 recruit signee ...
Dan
4/21/21 11:26am
and my second RB recruit would be Ronny Jenkins, by the way
Dan
4/21/21 11:27am
We aren't talking about potential. We are basing this on perform & reality.
The Y's Insider
4/21/21 11:34am
Oh, I still believe Luke is the GOAT based on actual results. My point was ...
Dan
4/21/21 12:24pm
I mean this the same way in a debate on who is the GOAT at QB for BYU
Dan
4/21/21 12:33pm
I would love to see people's RB ranking stratified by the fan's age
D.T. Survivor
4/21/21 12:47pm
You can't toss out their injury history or schematic strengths/weaknesses
D.T. Survivor
4/21/21 11:38am
I am not tossing out those things
Dan
4/21/21 4:37pm
I take Harvey because Luke was just injury prone. I want a guy for four seasons
(Private)
4/21/21 4:28pm
And yet, ironically, BYU did not have Harvey for four seasons
Dan
4/21/21 4:41pm
Yep. But easier I believe to help with HC issues rather than injuries.
(Private)
4/21/21 4:48pm
Yes, but if people are ok considering someone with a career less than 4 years
Dan
4/21/21 4:59pm
Jamaal. Luke had the best single season. Harvey could have been the best if
LifeLongLakerFan
4/21/21 11:40am
Thanks for the thoughts. Been enough interest I'll post the link to part 2
climps
4/21/21 11:50am
Staley averaged 8 yds per touch and the goalline cut a lot of runs short!
Hill4Heisman
4/21/21 11:51am
and he was the best goal line back of the bunch and it's not even close...
icecougar
4/21/21 12:40pm
Peak Staley is clearly the best, but Jamaal had the best career. Unga is #2.
Hill4Heisman
4/21/21 11:52am
Yet Staley w/out a special pitch guy like Doman - woulda struggled within space.
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 11:57am
and would Jamaal have been as successful w/o defenses 100% focused on Taysom...
icecougar
4/21/21 12:29pm
Probably not. I think Harvey did the most on his own of the 3, probably.
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 1:15pm
I think even Harvey benefited greatly by the OC's scheme...
icecougar
4/21/21 2:01pm
I think he woulda thrived in that as good as Jamaal. Only less finesse &
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 3:46pm
100% focused on Taysom? Please.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 3:20pm
I agree except that Unga's consistency isn't enough to put him above Staley
D.T. Survivor
4/21/21 12:48pm
Jenkins. Best pure back BYU has had.
Mathew
4/21/21 12:34pm
Sorry Staley has the hardware
BYU Grounds
4/21/21 12:37pm
Excellent read! Impressive information and love the funny jabs at Utah.
Tuskaloosa Cougar
4/21/21 1:16pm
Between Harvey and Jamaal I think Harvey was better up through their Jr seasons.
CougarBreath
4/21/21 1:35pm
an interesting angle to consider is...
icecougar
4/21/21 2:47pm
Correct, rivalry performance is a knock on Jamaal for sure.
climps
4/21/21 2:59pm
No, it's literally not.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 3:43pm
The rivalry game matters to me. And Jamaal never factored in one.
climps
4/21/21 3:57pm
your argument could be applied to just about every comparison of players..
icecougar
4/21/21 6:22pm
It's not an angle to consider at all. It carries no weight here.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 3:20pm
Sure it is. Running style and individual ability to get yards after initial...
icecougar
4/21/21 6:44pm
Had Harvey played his final year he would be the goat. My pick is Luke.
CT98
4/21/21 4:21pm
Staley and it's not close. Luke was the best running back in the country.
AFitisemanu
4/21/21 4:25pm
The world may never know how good Harvey was since the mtn. network looked like:
flyonawall
4/21/21 7:00pm
Staley highlights were bad. Trying to identify players was like looking at this
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 7:11pm
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