You really think that is a big plot hole? 😂😂

False. Not just an unpopular opinion - it’s bad

YIsForBrigham

12/4/20 9:03pm

Especially the Disney-era ones... atrocious.

seacougar

12/4/20 9:36pm

But at least they are diverse and are showing powerful women

Ojiisan

12/4/20 9:38pm

That's the funny part. All the woman but Rey are train wrecks.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 9:44pm

Rebuttal: Original Trilogy is middle of the pack of all Star Wars material

backprop

12/4/20 9:04pm

RE: Rebuttal: Original Trilogy is middle of the pack of all Star Wars material

slowhiteguy

12/4/20 9:07pm

Thrawn, Rogue One, original x-wing series, KOTOR, the Mandalorian, off the top

backprop

12/4/20 9:35pm

Rebuttal, that opinion is dumb

LakeshowCougs

12/4/20 9:12pm

That’s an even worse opinion.

russkiejedi

12/4/20 9:33pm

If you can't enjoy the others, just pretend they don't exist

Jericho

12/4/20 9:05pm

Rogue One is the best in the franchise.

TheHop

12/4/20 9:06pm

It is certainly the best of the new stuff.

slowhiteguy

12/4/20 9:08pm

Too many diversity hires. I didn't watch it for that reason alone.

BlueFever

12/4/20 9:09pm

Huge eye roll. RO was fantastic.

spugeddy24

12/4/20 9:10pm

Rogue 1 ruins A New Hope. It is no longer the careful

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 9:33pm

LOL. What? Luke still had to make it there to take the shot. The horrible weakness was always there. Now there is just

shimmy

12/4/20 10:01pm

Not a weakness. It was a design. Like just pushed the button.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:03pm

Right. The fact the weakness was a design doesn't change a single thing for Luke's story.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:05pm

It's no longer a man over machine story.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:08pm

I disagree completely. Nothing Galen Erso did undermined anything Luke did, and vice versa.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:11pm

Yes it is. He still can't hit the vent with a targeting computer, has to use the

russkiejedi

12/4/20 10:11pm

I thought the point was that Galon Urso built in a self destruct mechanism.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:30pm

You're way over thinking this, but I don't think we'll convince each other.

russkiejedi

12/4/20 10:36pm

You really think that is a big plot hole? 😂😂

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 10:05pm

The fact that the empire spent that many years and resources building the death star that was capable of being blown up

shimmy

12/4/20 10:06pm

No it wasn’t

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 10:15pm

It made a ton of sense that the Death Star could be brought down with 1 shot?

shimmy

12/4/20 10:27pm

Yes

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 10:41pm

It was never a plot hole. "The Empire doesn't consider small one man fighters a

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:05pm

The death star being brought down with one shot is a plot hole.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:07pm

You can call it a bad story telling, but it is addressed specifically.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:09pm

The casting does not negatively impact the film.

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:17pm

Agreed. That’s TLJ tbh

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:34pm

It did for those of us who can't stand revisionists

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:45am

Diversity hires? So in a universe with not only many races but also and infinite

akmewg

12/4/20 9:19pm

Watch Episode 4 and tell me all about those diverse humans. 🙂

BlueFever

12/4/20 9:26pm

Episode 4 was a film made in 1977 in the UK so not really shocking that most of

akmewg

12/4/20 9:34pm

Only that's not the reason for all the white actors.

BlueFever

12/4/20 9:39pm

So you don’t like the new ones because they don’t have an exclusively white cast?

DieHarder

12/4/20 10:05pm

No, I don't like the new ones because crybabies

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:49am

Wow, tripling down on it, did Lucas just get more Woke in 2 years between IV and

akmewg

12/4/20 10:07pm

Yes. There's an interview where Lucas stated that a friend of his once asked

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:52am

This is a really bad take. It really makes you look a bit, you know...........

spugeddy24

12/4/20 10:19pm

Racist?

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:55am

LOL, revisionists? It's fiction.

russkiejedi

12/4/20 10:24pm

RE: LOL, revisionists? It's fiction.

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:57am

My point is, there was no revisionism. It's a fictional world where they can

russkiejedi

12/5/20 9:01am

You've got this mixed up with Revisionism.

BlueFever

12/5/20 9:04am

Boardname doesn’t check out.

TEXAS

12/5/20 6:42am

Your sources aren't very good. 😉

BlueFever

12/5/20 8:58am

This is an all-time classic "I'm not racist, but..." post

CommodoreCoug

12/5/20 7:47am

This is a better classic, in the spirit of Philip K. Dick:

BlueFever

12/5/20 9:00am

Star Wars is science *fiction*, not a documentary about earth in 21st century

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:31pm

Sure but it’s a fictional story where race really doesn’t factor in to the

akmewg

12/4/20 9:38pm

False, KOTOR had a better plot twist 🙂

panacablue

12/4/20 9:09pm

Since ROTJ I think Rogue One, The Last Jedi (yeah I said it), Mando, Clone Wars, and Rebels are all at least as good

shimmy

12/4/20 9:10pm

Solo is actually pretty good. TLJ caused people to push back on solo but it was solid.

spugeddy24

12/4/20 9:11pm

Yep. I get why TLJ ruffled feathers. I loved it though.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:11pm

I’m one who hated TLJ and really liked Solo. I think a lot of SW content has been decent despite not liking the latest 3

spugeddy24

12/4/20 9:12pm

I agree with this

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:17pm

Solo is a forgettable generic heist movie with a Star Wars add on skin applied.

BYUtka

12/4/20 9:16pm

What do you think is the secret sauce that makes SW movies anything other than a generic hero journey with a sci fi skin

shimmy

12/4/20 9:31pm

Star Wars and Empire both caught lightning in a bottle which doing two times in

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:35pm

TLJ is a good Star Wars film? You do not understand Star Wars.

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:18pm

He said Solo was good

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:19pm

You may be right. Not sure the way it's worded.

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:21pm

He’s saying Solo was good but people didn’t want to watch it after TLJ

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:29pm

Correct.

spugeddy24

12/4/20 9:36pm

TLJ was garbage.

spugeddy24

12/4/20 9:36pm

I understand both film and SW.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:25pm

Do lasers shoot straight in space?

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:32pm

If you have a problem suspending disbelief, you should probably just tap out of

russkiejedi

12/4/20 9:36pm

Suspension of belief only works if the universe follows rules. If not, the

wildeone

12/4/20 9:44pm

Star Wars rules are a nightmare. The force rules are all over the place.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:44pm

They just can't help themselves. Force powers have seen exponential growth.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 9:47pm

Right, so you either deal with it, or you check out entirely. A race of walking

russkiejedi

12/4/20 9:50pm

Silly yes, but home court advantage is a thing in war.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 9:54pm

Yeah, home court didn't seem to do much for the Aztecs and Incas. Or even the

russkiejedi

12/4/20 10:27pm

While true, it is more logically inconsistent not only with the OT and PQ,

wildeone

12/4/20 9:52pm

How lasers work in the star wars universe is not what I would consider an

russkiejedi

12/4/20 9:48pm

Why do WWII films represent weapons consistent with the era?

DMVCougar

12/5/20 8:58am

Well, because they're depicting events in relatively recent history and the

russkiejedi

12/5/20 9:04am

I actually am laughing.

DMVCougar

12/5/20 1:15pm

if you are watching for correct portrayals of physics, star wars is not the content for you.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:38pm

May I recommend Mauler's critique on why the movie doesn't work? It's very poor

wildeone

12/4/20 9:45pm

TBH, no I'm not really interested in his opinion. If you want a battle of the experts there are plenty of film folks

shimmy

12/4/20 9:54pm

Well, if you'd like to know why people truly dislike it, outside of the

wildeone

12/4/20 9:58pm

I understand the complaints. I agree with a lot. I think subversion of expectations is great and overcomes it in TLJ.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:13pm

Subversion can be good, when executed correctly, but it was poorly executed in

wildeone

12/4/20 10:27pm

Disagree with a lot but I do agree with the final point. It was horrible execution for a trilogy.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:32pm

It’s a Star Wars question, not a physics question

DMVCougar

12/5/20 8:07am

If you're going to criticize TLJ for plot holes or elements that don't match up with established worldbuilding, you're

durandal

12/4/20 10:14pm

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East1999

12/4/20 9:24pm

No it’s not, it’s a different, contemporary story. That’s like saying

russkiejedi

12/4/20 9:39pm

Talking about Rogue 1 right? More of a true prequel than retread, the episode IV

akmewg

12/4/20 9:43pm

No that’s the force awakens

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:52pm

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East1999

12/4/20 9:56pm

The problem is that you think ROTJ is great because of your nostalgia for the film. Plenty of Star Wars content post

shimmy

12/4/20 9:08pm

This could be. The nostalgia is real. However even my kids prefer the

slowhiteguy

12/4/20 9:09pm

My kids prefer the originals to the prequels, but that is because I made them feel that way.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:10pm

Same, but I am happy that more Star Wars is being made. We watch Mandalorian eac

Oceanographer

12/4/20 9:17pm

It's widely considered the weakest of the three.

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:15pm

Of the originals? Absolutely IMO.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:16pm

Disagree

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:20pm

ESB is the best of them all, and ANH is top tier. The original trilogy is by far the best.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:29pm

The original three are very boring. I find the most recent ones to be

LiveCoug

12/4/20 9:08pm

RE: Unpopular opinion: No Star Wars should have been made after Return of the

The Pope

12/4/20 9:10pm

Don't understand why Solo gets crapped on. It is my favorite of the newer stuff.

YNWA

12/4/20 9:12pm

That actually kills the entire storyline. Prequels have little to no tension.

DMVCougar

12/4/20 9:13pm

The sequel trilogy does cheapen a really good ending to the original trilogy

Great38

12/4/20 9:13pm

I’m a hack

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:14pm

I hated how the new trilogy essentially just had the same end purpose as the

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:13pm

Well one of the movies didn't, and tons of people hated it for it.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:15pm

People hated that movie because it was incoherent and PC

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:18pm

Which is precisely why Shimmy loved it

bluelands

12/4/20 9:21pm

LOL. If you say so. I couldn't care less about any PC aspect of the film. I'm also not offended by it.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:25pm

TLJ is the only movie post ESB with anything close to a twist. There wasn't a single thing in the other sequels that

shimmy

12/4/20 9:28pm

Problem with TLJ was there were too many plot twists

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:32pm

I agree it did a bad job setting up 9. That was the worst part of the trilogy. It wasn't a trilogy at all. That's all on

shimmy

12/4/20 9:41pm

I completely agree - although I enjoyed the sequel trilogy for the most part.

Oceanographer

12/4/20 9:45pm

Problem with Snoke dying was they replaced him with Palpatine

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 9:51pm

Agreed 1,000%. I hold that against ROS though. Wish they would have had the guts to make Kylo a true villain.

shimmy

12/4/20 9:55pm

Yep. That's all on Abrams and ROS, not TLJ. They had a real opportunity to do something interesting and take advantage

durandal

12/4/20 10:17pm

Yes but the reason they brought back Palpatine was because Snoke didn’t have a

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 10:18pm

Should have made Kylo the Big Bad and flesh that out.

shimmy

12/4/20 10:24pm

Agreed, but they flat out missed opportunities in TLJ

puntersarepeople

12/4/20 10:45pm

Even less popular opinion: No Star Wars should have been made - ever

eoscougar

12/4/20 9:14pm

False, that is a popular opinion, but for a vocal minority.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 9:36pm

I see terrible opinions on here every day, but this takes it to a whole new level

DieHarder

12/4/20 9:53pm

The Fonz jumped a shark. Leia flew over a squid. Potato Potato.

Jacksonian76

12/4/20 10:02pm

For a long time, I personally enjoyed the prequels more than the originals

SirGus

12/4/20 10:02pm

I like them all, gave me a chance to enjoy them with my kids like my parents

USMCdad

12/5/20 1:26pm

This is the best take. Agree 100%.

Oceanographer

12/5/20 2:02pm

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