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Jun 1, 2020
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claw
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symptom of underlying problem. poorly run organization/ team. expect results
accordingly.
I suspect watching tape won't help the situation.
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Ragnarok
6/1/20 10:58am
I saw this coming for the last couple of years...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:09am
The coaches have given scholarships to PWOs and that's part of the reason
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:14am
Not the point...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:20am
Isn't this what playing competitive sports has prepared these athletes for?
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:30am
How do they know that if the kid is just returning from a mission?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:40am
Are the coaches pulling scholarships from mission kids?
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:43am
If they are telling them they have to delay then that is the same thing...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:01pm
It's not remotely the same thing
donnerstag
6/1/20 12:23pm
Of course it is the same thing...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:26pm
Without knowing how the conversation went, we don't know the ethics
donnerstag
6/1/20 12:42pm
But you are assuming aren't you?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:50pm
Nope. I am saying we don't have a set of facts to judge
donnerstag
6/1/20 1:05pm
That's the thing about a message board...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 1:13pm
This isn't just a BYU problem (its a bigger issue at BYU due to the numbers)..
TheLost
6/1/20 4:39pm
I agree, all schools with large numbers of missionaries have that challenge...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 4:50pm
Awesome for Kafentzis....
Vernon Dozier
6/1/20 3:30pm
Look as a PWO
I'mBatman
6/1/20 8:21pm
I don’t disagree....
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 10:27pm
They usually leave due to playing time
I'mBatman
6/2/20 9:43am
If the kid doesn't like the delay in scholarship, they can go elsewhere
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:11am
What about the kids though?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:15am
BYU seems to play more walk-ons than many other schools
Doogal McCougar
6/1/20 11:21am
There are 2 separate issues here
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:22am
Yep it's pretty common for programs to let guys go if they are not in the 2 deep
Thrill
6/1/20 2:16pm
99% won't have options.. best they can hope for is a Walk-On offer, or maybe FCS
TheLost
6/1/20 4:23pm
symptom of underlying problem. poorly run organization/ team. expect results
claw
6/1/20 11:13am
Perhaps they over recruit on purpose for more depth. Could be a complete
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:13am
A "non issue" for who?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:18am
Not really
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:21am
This is an area then that the PAC12 with its 4 year guaranty has surpassed BYU
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:32am
If the coaches are honest then it’s not immoral at all. Also, PWOs will continue
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:39am
It may not be immoral but it certainly doesn't make BYU competitive.
Everyman
6/1/20 12:25pm
The Pac hasn't exactly been world beaters lately.
mokelembembe
6/1/20 2:52pm
As long as they’re upfront to a Hs kid that that’s their policy
cougfanz
6/1/20 11:32am
That’s true
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:38am
Most BYU *walkons* are here because they want to be. They and their parents
Doogal McCougar
6/1/20 11:27am
Issue is the practice of cutting scholarship guys before their 4 years are up
cougfanz
6/1/20 11:31am
I care about the walkons who had promises made to them...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:42am
Agree 100%. Especially with down the line promises
cougfanz
6/1/20 11:46am
Are the coaches 100% guaranteeing PWOs scholarships?
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:53am
That's a cop out worthy of big ute right there...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:57am
Unless someone hears the exact conversation, I don't think we know with 100%
donnerstag
6/1/20 12:11pm
Sorry but that is a cop out...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:23pm
There is a difference with PWO's isn't there?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:06pm
You realize that PWO's are not the same thing as a standard walkon don't you?
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:48am
You know they can just sign a small class this year to make room for PWOs right?
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:53am
Get back to me when they actually do that.
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 11:58am
Get back to me when they don’t give deserving PWOs scholarships
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 12:04pm
I'm not saying they never give any...
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:13pm
It sounds like your gripe is more about what they promise than actual management
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 12:27pm
They are one and the same.
CoachSpeak
6/1/20 12:29pm
Absolutely. I was referring to PWO, but used the term *walk-on*
Doogal McCougar
6/1/20 12:08pm
From what I heard they brought in an outside consultant
cougfanz
6/1/20 11:27am
I doubt it’s 10-15
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:44am
Yea I don’t know. But sometimes you don’t hear about the kid who was told a
cougfanz
6/1/20 11:48am
That number is not correct.
Lip Gallagher
6/1/20 1:06pm
Shouldn't the coach have had a handle on the situation. Seriously, I can run a
coolblue
6/1/20 2:32pm
I'd like to say I don't believe the coaches could be that negligent,
cougaman
6/1/20 5:59pm
It was partially inflated by the four game redshirt rule
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:47am
was this crunch aggravated by guys coming home early from missions due to COVID and then not going back out?
byujag
6/1/20 11:50am
No, I don’t think so
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 11:51am
Elijah Unutoa is also home early
donnerstag
6/1/20 11:54am
That makes sense
puntersarepeople
6/1/20 12:05pm
Not covid related
cougfanz
6/1/20 12:01pm
Keeping BYU within scholarship limits is an art form
BeardedSpock
6/1/20 12:06pm
We'll start by not pretending it's a recent thing. It's a BYU thing.
Lip Gallagher
6/1/20 12:28pm
This is not Bronco. Don't put any of this on Bronco. It is all KS. This is a
coolblue
6/1/20 2:35pm
RE: This is not Bronco. Don't put any of this on Bronco. It is all KS. This is
Lip Gallagher
6/1/20 2:46pm
One issue is that the honor code inherently makes our APR score lower
SL12
6/1/20 1:56pm
All the missionaries coming home because of Covid create a crunch.
coolblue
6/1/20 2:28pm
Crunch has zero to do with those guys. This mess started 4 years ago. It's getting cleaned up now.
Turnpike Lane
6/1/20 2:53pm
The body has nothing to do with your header.
Lip Gallagher
6/1/20 3:32pm
Is there a component of the team that hasn't needed a reboot since KS started?
cougarmeister
6/1/20 2:30pm
Kalani is accountable. But he isn't the root cause. It's a number of factors that compound a complicated problem that no
YIsForBrigham
6/1/20 3:00pm
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