They are harmful. They are not useless. This is all about balancing the

Apr 10, 2020
10:57:26pm

Cougarbib Intervention Needed

greater harm/ good. There is no harmless solution. To believe in one and pursue I'd endlessly is most harmful.

Endlessly. That is the issue. What was necessary March 1st is less necessary April 1st and perhaps totally wrong by May 1st.

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Cougarbib

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This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation

VballDad

4/10/20 1:41am

Love this guy: “I don’t work for the govt, I can follow the science”

Run-DMT

4/10/20 1:43am

"We've been told to go indoors where the virus thrives." "We should be outdoors"

777

4/10/20 2:04am

You started it at the perfect spot

Bin01015

4/10/20 6:51am

German study showed 15% got it. Nevertheless, you need about 70% for herd

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:27am

He is right. Someone needs to ask Birx why there is no discussion of getting

Cougarbib

4/10/20 2:16am

Herd immunity requires 90%+. That’s why this isn’t a top priority.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 7:42pm

Where did you get 90%+ for Covid-19 Herd immunity?

Zoobieman

4/10/20 7:44pm

Measles and Mumps as examples. Some could be as low as 70%

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 10:21pm

It is the only practical reality absent a vaccine. And we

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:40pm

Sure. Eventually. But the goal is not herd immunity. It is to avoid

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 11:55pm

Herd immunity prevents deaths. BTW, blindly pursuing reduced Covid deaths like

Cougarbib

4/11/20 1:29am

Let’s stick with herd immunity idea.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/11/20 10:42am

There will be unavoidable tradeoffs. Back to herd. In Utah, with a zillion

Cougarbib

4/11/20 11:01am

If we consider old and young separate herds then I get you.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/11/20 2:25pm

I read 70% with German study article. 90% is even better,

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:38pm

For the TLDR crowd, here is what he says we need to do right now...

777

4/10/20 2:53am

Clearly, you are ALL in the TLDR crowd, because if you had bothered to actually

Game Changer

4/10/20 3:45am

He's still closer than 2 million model without social distancing. Is that your

777

4/10/20 4:22am

I'm saying find yourself another fake expert. And I'm confident that you will.

Game Changer

4/10/20 4:47am

Are you even going to argue against his theory of herd immunity or are you just

777

4/10/20 4:59am

Honest question

bythenumbers

4/10/20 6:13am

He also said multiple times Americans shouldn’t worry about this

BYU '80

4/10/20 9:16am

220K was 10 days ago. In the beginning Fauci reported that this would not

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:40am

I agree. Data is the key and early estimates were based

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 3:28pm

Sure. Seems like there is a lot you don't understand. Let's talk through it.

Game Changer

4/10/20 7:10pm

Sure. We all know to go to CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, etc.,

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:47pm

Is this guy's prediction not closer than the 2 million estimate?

bluelands

4/10/20 6:07am

He's not interested in answering that question because that means admitting we

777

4/10/20 4:54pm

Wait, Hold up.

Zoobieman

4/10/20 5:20pm

Where does he point out his analysis is wrong? He only pointed out

777

4/11/20 2:16am

Exactly, your dude was wrong (About the death count)

Zoobieman

4/11/20 3:35am

Does it matter? Fauci et al are constantly updating things as data becomes

StalwartBraveTrue

4/11/20 10:44am

Here are some problems with what you are saying.

Jingleheimer

4/10/20 11:30am

Absolutely. He's refusing to answer why the experts he trusts have predictions

777

4/10/20 4:56pm

This is a thoughtful response. If I may add a few comments:

Game Changer

4/10/20 7:31pm

And then the media ran with the extreme number and fanned the flames. And you

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:51pm

But you are ignoring the fact that Fauci and Birx brought out those models to

777

4/11/20 2:13am

I addressed this in my post above. Fauci, unlike most CBers, actually knows how

Game Changer

4/11/20 4:31am

Some additonal thoughts on fake experts in academics...

Jingleheimer

4/11/20 6:56am

Great thoughts, again. I agree with most of what you're saying.

Game Changer

4/11/20 11:27am

That's fair. I guess I'd ask you how confident you are that he is wrong?

Jingleheimer

4/11/20 12:50pm

Extremely confident, for a few reasons.

Game Changer

4/11/20 6:33pm

Nobody believes it is 34 times as deadly as the flu. They did in Feb and

Cougarbib

4/11/20 10:01pm

Period...hard stop? Okay. Try this.

Jingleheimer

4/12/20 6:00am

By your theory there basically are no experts

deliciousmocha

4/10/20 4:24am

This is a statement with legs.

johnnybyu

4/10/20 4:29am

I'm saying this particular guy is definitely not an expert. Do you think he is?

Game Changer

4/10/20 4:50am

Why don't you propose who you think is an expert?

Goliath

4/10/20 7:01am

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Abe Froman

4/10/20 7:57am

Sounds like to him the only "experts" claiming mass destruction. SMH....

BleedCougarBlue2

4/10/20 9:24am

Great question.

bald man

4/10/20 10:05am

My argument has been straightforward. It's pretty easy to understand.

Game Changer

4/10/20 7:16pm

In other words - you have nothing any better. Thanks.

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:53pm

I think "this guy" is smarter than you on this. Big time.

BleedCougarBlue2

4/10/20 9:23am

That’s because there are no experts

buffgato

4/10/20 7:49am

^^^ Bingo! Now get both sides of this argument to accept that. ^^^^

Oatmeal

4/10/20 7:55am

Sounds like his 6k deaths was closer than the “models” the leaders now abandoned

VballDad

4/10/20 8:25am

We don’t know what would have happened with his approach.

Misteak

4/10/20 8:29am

So then he’s way closer than the other experts

BYU '80

4/10/20 9:15am

Still not very good about admitting you're wrong, eh? The US has cried wolf &...

BleedCougarBlue2

4/10/20 9:33am

6,000 was too optimistic for sure. Compare and contrast to those predicting

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:32am

blah blah blah ... I hate Trump

hitechcpa

4/10/20 3:56pm

Why do you hate Trump?

Zoobieman

4/10/20 5:25pm

Yeah...I've basically thought the same thing for the last few weeks.

Jingleheimer

4/10/20 4:49am

That guy doesn’t inspire much confidence. Interviewer and poor production...

BamaCoug

4/10/20 6:49am

"Video seems like a fringe kid baiting a crazy old man..."

Oatmeal

4/10/20 8:00am

Video makes some good points, but the flattening ≠ widening.

Zoobieman

4/10/20 8:19am

TLDR we should stay at home during virus season forever then, not ok

VballDad

4/10/20 8:29am

I'm sorry but that was not the conclusion I wanted anyone to draw.

Zoobieman

4/10/20 1:42pm

Most projections I’ve seen still believe most will get this

BYU '80

4/10/20 9:18am

Yep. Flattening is not necessarily lowering the area under the curve.

Jingleheimer

4/10/20 10:39am

We should make sure > 50% get it and just make sure the

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:50am

My point was that flattening the curve

Zoobieman

4/10/20 2:00pm

If it keeps hospitals from being overrun with people dying in the hallways and

Cougarbib

4/10/20 2:10pm

There is a major problem with getting to herd immunity right now...

CougarBuddy

4/10/20 8:30am

Herd immunity among the healthy helps the unhealthy

BYU '80

4/10/20 9:19am

it's getting to that point that's the problem

CougarBuddy

4/10/20 9:37am

What do you mean by "make sure other diseases won't spread"?

Jingleheimer

4/10/20 10:42am

people didn't stop being sick or having communicable diseases because of corona

CougarBuddy

4/10/20 10:58am

May 1st.

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:52am

This a good goal, but 3 months is looking like the amount of time supply chains

CougarBuddy

4/10/20 11:01am

In 3 months the impact if locking down will be worse than the impact

Cougarbib

4/10/20 11:10am

i agree. But we're already two months into the supply shortage

CougarBuddy

4/10/20 11:45am

This is what we need to do. Unless data does not go where we expect it to go.

Cougarbib

4/10/20 1:47pm

Yes, but it needs to start to end May 1st when better prepared.

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:52am

Here's a UCLA doctor making similar assertions:

mbs6

4/10/20 8:40am

What's with the necklace?

Jacksonian76

4/10/20 9:01am

RE: What's with the necklace?

knuttyice

4/15/20 11:34am

Can you trust a guy who's first name is "Knut"? I mean he's literally nuts.. 🙂

morningcalmcougar

4/10/20 9:31am

RE: This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation

akbarishiwatsu

4/10/20 10:22am

Because the scientists were so wrong. Studies are showing death rate of 0.37% in

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:56am

I think you are confused about the definition of science and pseudo-science.

Jingleheimer

4/10/20 11:14am

This guy is out of his league and seriously dangerous.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 12:45pm

Who are these truly informed and rational people? Name the one or

Cougarbib

4/10/20 1:50pm

I’m looking for further light and knowledge compared to what this guy says.

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 2:41pm

Yes, but if nobody ever challenged the scientists to rethink, the world

Cougarbib

4/10/20 3:59pm

I have no problem with asking questions. It’s the hubris of

StalwartBraveTrue

4/10/20 6:41pm

They are harmful. They are not useless. This is all about balancing the

Cougarbib

4/10/20 10:57pm

In this we agree. As information changes your response changes as directed by

StalwartBraveTrue

4/11/20 10:48am

He's not any more dangerous than Fauci. Fauci has just tanked the economy and

777

4/10/20 5:06pm

How do you prove the 2 million deaths W/O intervention claim was false?

Zoobieman

4/10/20 5:30pm

You don't. But clearly nobody finds it slightly credible anymore. You do

Cougarbib

4/10/20 5:45pm

Here’s an Israeli virologist guy who has a similar opinion to Wittkoski

Run-DMT

4/10/20 1:14pm

Watching this video with co-workers tonight there was one thing we agreed with.

Zoobieman

4/10/20 10:15pm

I think he’s spot on re reopening schools and colleges. Let the young people

Run-DMT

4/11/20 12:02pm

RE: This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation

knuttyice

4/15/20 12:17pm

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