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Apr 10, 2020
10:27
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Cougarbib
Intervention Needed
German study showed 15% got it. Nevertheless, you need about 70% for herd
immunity. Death rate was 0.37%. Far less deadly than originally thought.
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This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation
VballDad
4/10/20 1:41am
Love this guy: “I don’t work for the govt, I can follow the science”
Run-DMT
4/10/20 1:43am
"We've been told to go indoors where the virus thrives." "We should be outdoors"
777
4/10/20 2:04am
You started it at the perfect spot
Bin01015
4/10/20 6:51am
German study showed 15% got it. Nevertheless, you need about 70% for herd
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:27am
He is right. Someone needs to ask Birx why there is no discussion of getting
Cougarbib
4/10/20 2:16am
Herd immunity requires 90%+. That’s why this isn’t a top priority.
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 7:42pm
Where did you get 90%+ for Covid-19 Herd immunity?
Zoobieman
4/10/20 7:44pm
Measles and Mumps as examples. Some could be as low as 70%
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 10:21pm
It is the only practical reality absent a vaccine. And we
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:40pm
Sure. Eventually. But the goal is not herd immunity. It is to avoid
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 11:55pm
Herd immunity prevents deaths. BTW, blindly pursuing reduced Covid deaths like
Cougarbib
4/11/20 1:29am
Let’s stick with herd immunity idea.
StalwartBraveTrue
4/11/20 10:42am
There will be unavoidable tradeoffs. Back to herd. In Utah, with a zillion
Cougarbib
4/11/20 11:01am
If we consider old and young separate herds then I get you.
StalwartBraveTrue
4/11/20 2:25pm
I read 70% with German study article. 90% is even better,
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:38pm
For the TLDR crowd, here is what he says we need to do right now...
777
4/10/20 2:53am
Clearly, you are ALL in the TLDR crowd, because if you had bothered to actually
Game Changer
4/10/20 3:45am
He's still closer than 2 million model without social distancing. Is that your
777
4/10/20 4:22am
I'm saying find yourself another fake expert. And I'm confident that you will.
Game Changer
4/10/20 4:47am
Are you even going to argue against his theory of herd immunity or are you just
777
4/10/20 4:59am
Honest question
bythenumbers
4/10/20 6:13am
He also said multiple times Americans shouldn’t worry about this
BYU '80
4/10/20 9:16am
220K was 10 days ago. In the beginning Fauci reported that this would not
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:40am
I agree. Data is the key and early estimates were based
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 3:28pm
Sure. Seems like there is a lot you don't understand. Let's talk through it.
Game Changer
4/10/20 7:10pm
Sure. We all know to go to CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, etc.,
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:47pm
Is this guy's prediction not closer than the 2 million estimate?
bluelands
4/10/20 6:07am
He's not interested in answering that question because that means admitting we
777
4/10/20 4:54pm
Wait, Hold up.
Zoobieman
4/10/20 5:20pm
Where does he point out his analysis is wrong? He only pointed out
777
4/11/20 2:16am
Exactly, your dude was wrong (About the death count)
Zoobieman
4/11/20 3:35am
Does it matter? Fauci et al are constantly updating things as data becomes
StalwartBraveTrue
4/11/20 10:44am
Here are some problems with what you are saying.
Jingleheimer
4/10/20 11:30am
Absolutely. He's refusing to answer why the experts he trusts have predictions
777
4/10/20 4:56pm
This is a thoughtful response. If I may add a few comments:
Game Changer
4/10/20 7:31pm
And then the media ran with the extreme number and fanned the flames. And you
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:51pm
But you are ignoring the fact that Fauci and Birx brought out those models to
777
4/11/20 2:13am
I addressed this in my post above. Fauci, unlike most CBers, actually knows how
Game Changer
4/11/20 4:31am
Some additonal thoughts on fake experts in academics...
Jingleheimer
4/11/20 6:56am
Great thoughts, again. I agree with most of what you're saying.
Game Changer
4/11/20 11:27am
That's fair. I guess I'd ask you how confident you are that he is wrong?
Jingleheimer
4/11/20 12:50pm
Extremely confident, for a few reasons.
Game Changer
4/11/20 6:33pm
Nobody believes it is 34 times as deadly as the flu. They did in Feb and
Cougarbib
4/11/20 10:01pm
Period...hard stop? Okay. Try this.
Jingleheimer
4/12/20 6:00am
By your theory there basically are no experts
deliciousmocha
4/10/20 4:24am
This is a statement with legs.
johnnybyu
4/10/20 4:29am
I'm saying this particular guy is definitely not an expert. Do you think he is?
Game Changer
4/10/20 4:50am
Why don't you propose who you think is an expert?
Goliath
4/10/20 7:01am
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Abe Froman
4/10/20 7:57am
Sounds like to him the only "experts" claiming mass destruction. SMH....
BleedCougarBlue2
4/10/20 9:24am
Great question.
bald man
4/10/20 10:05am
My argument has been straightforward. It's pretty easy to understand.
Game Changer
4/10/20 7:16pm
In other words - you have nothing any better. Thanks.
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:53pm
I think "this guy" is smarter than you on this. Big time.
BleedCougarBlue2
4/10/20 9:23am
That’s because there are no experts
buffgato
4/10/20 7:49am
^^^ Bingo! Now get both sides of this argument to accept that. ^^^^
Oatmeal
4/10/20 7:55am
Sounds like his 6k deaths was closer than the “models” the leaders now abandoned
VballDad
4/10/20 8:25am
We don’t know what would have happened with his approach.
Misteak
4/10/20 8:29am
So then he’s way closer than the other experts
BYU '80
4/10/20 9:15am
Still not very good about admitting you're wrong, eh? The US has cried wolf &...
BleedCougarBlue2
4/10/20 9:33am
6,000 was too optimistic for sure. Compare and contrast to those predicting
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:32am
blah blah blah ... I hate Trump
hitechcpa
4/10/20 3:56pm
Why do you hate Trump?
Zoobieman
4/10/20 5:25pm
Yeah...I've basically thought the same thing for the last few weeks.
Jingleheimer
4/10/20 4:49am
That guy doesn’t inspire much confidence. Interviewer and poor production...
BamaCoug
4/10/20 6:49am
"Video seems like a fringe kid baiting a crazy old man..."
Oatmeal
4/10/20 8:00am
Video makes some good points, but the flattening ≠ widening.
Zoobieman
4/10/20 8:19am
TLDR we should stay at home during virus season forever then, not ok
VballDad
4/10/20 8:29am
I'm sorry but that was not the conclusion I wanted anyone to draw.
Zoobieman
4/10/20 1:42pm
Most projections I’ve seen still believe most will get this
BYU '80
4/10/20 9:18am
Yep. Flattening is not necessarily lowering the area under the curve.
Jingleheimer
4/10/20 10:39am
We should make sure > 50% get it and just make sure the
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:50am
My point was that flattening the curve
Zoobieman
4/10/20 2:00pm
If it keeps hospitals from being overrun with people dying in the hallways and
Cougarbib
4/10/20 2:10pm
There is a major problem with getting to herd immunity right now...
CougarBuddy
4/10/20 8:30am
Herd immunity among the healthy helps the unhealthy
BYU '80
4/10/20 9:19am
it's getting to that point that's the problem
CougarBuddy
4/10/20 9:37am
What do you mean by "make sure other diseases won't spread"?
Jingleheimer
4/10/20 10:42am
people didn't stop being sick or having communicable diseases because of corona
CougarBuddy
4/10/20 10:58am
May 1st.
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:52am
This a good goal, but 3 months is looking like the amount of time supply chains
CougarBuddy
4/10/20 11:01am
In 3 months the impact if locking down will be worse than the impact
Cougarbib
4/10/20 11:10am
i agree. But we're already two months into the supply shortage
CougarBuddy
4/10/20 11:45am
This is what we need to do. Unless data does not go where we expect it to go.
Cougarbib
4/10/20 1:47pm
Yes, but it needs to start to end May 1st when better prepared.
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:52am
Here's a UCLA doctor making similar assertions:
mbs6
4/10/20 8:40am
What's with the necklace?
Jacksonian76
4/10/20 9:01am
RE: What's with the necklace?
knuttyice
4/15/20 11:34am
Can you trust a guy who's first name is "Knut"? I mean he's literally nuts.. 🙂
morningcalmcougar
4/10/20 9:31am
RE: This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation
akbarishiwatsu
4/10/20 10:22am
Because the scientists were so wrong. Studies are showing death rate of 0.37% in
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:56am
I think you are confused about the definition of science and pseudo-science.
Jingleheimer
4/10/20 11:14am
This guy is out of his league and seriously dangerous.
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 12:45pm
Who are these truly informed and rational people? Name the one or
Cougarbib
4/10/20 1:50pm
I’m looking for further light and knowledge compared to what this guy says.
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 2:41pm
Yes, but if nobody ever challenged the scientists to rethink, the world
Cougarbib
4/10/20 3:59pm
I have no problem with asking questions. It’s the hubris of
StalwartBraveTrue
4/10/20 6:41pm
They are harmful. They are not useless. This is all about balancing the
Cougarbib
4/10/20 10:57pm
In this we agree. As information changes your response changes as directed by
StalwartBraveTrue
4/11/20 10:48am
He's not any more dangerous than Fauci. Fauci has just tanked the economy and
777
4/10/20 5:06pm
How do you prove the 2 million deaths W/O intervention claim was false?
Zoobieman
4/10/20 5:30pm
You don't. But clearly nobody finds it slightly credible anymore. You do
Cougarbib
4/10/20 5:45pm
Here’s an Israeli virologist guy who has a similar opinion to Wittkoski
Run-DMT
4/10/20 1:14pm
Watching this video with co-workers tonight there was one thing we agreed with.
Zoobieman
4/10/20 10:15pm
I think he’s spot on re reopening schools and colleges. Let the young people
Run-DMT
4/11/20 12:02pm
RE: This expert says we should be doing herd immunity not isolation
knuttyice
4/15/20 12:17pm
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