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BYU fans: Independence is killing BYU - we need the MWC. Also BYU fans: We don't
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:04pm
It's almost like different fans believe different things.
SandYFan
10/23/19 3:06pm
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JimmyZ
10/23/19 3:10pm
I guess my point is that the fans who want the MWC never explain how BYU would
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:13pm
Resources aren't why we struggle against G5 teams.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:17pm
Yes, I'm sure other MWC teams would love to give BYU extra money. Hahaha.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:20pm
Extra money to BYU but would be extra money for the other schools and conference too.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:25pm
BSU's extra money comes at the cost of the rest of the schools. They hate it.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:37pm
Well I would agree with the other schools if that is the case. Bad contract.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 4:21pm
8-9 wins and top 40 finishes were crap a few years ago. Now with more resources
Mr. Scoobs
10/23/19 3:06pm
BYU is not close to on par with P5 teams in terms of $$$ or recruiting.
Klompus
10/23/19 3:11pm
Actually they are, and they'll be closer with the new TV deal. I'm not referring
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:18pm
Utah spends way more money on recruiting then we do.
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 3:25pm
That's a budgeting issue, not a revenue issue.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:37pm
Very correct
Yohy
10/23/19 3:49pm
They spend more than ANY PAC 12 school.
All-American
10/23/19 4:17pm
Correct
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 4:21pm
Not. Even. Close.
The Dude Abides
10/23/19 4:46pm
Utah made 82 million in revenue, BYU made 79 million...
Coug Man in Florida
10/23/19 6:18pm
Where are you getting those revenue numbers? Does it include booster donations?
The Dude Abides
10/23/19 6:27pm
I thought our revenue doesn’t go back into sports.
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 6:54pm
Actually looks like someone has posted a link already below
Coug Man in Florida
10/24/19 3:02pm
On par with other P5 programs?
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:14pm
I said "SOME" P5 Programs.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:19pm
Name some.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:26pm
Vanderbilt and Kansas
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 3:27pm
Rutgers
TBabyCougs
10/23/19 3:28pm
Oregon st
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 3:29pm
Purdue
TBabyCougs
10/23/19 3:34pm
Same as Rutgers below.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:35pm
$31.3M in TV money payout.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:34pm
2018 Vandy = $43.7M 2018 Kansas = $38.8m 2018 Rutgers = $54m (TV money only) EDIT: meant 2018
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:33pm
BYU is not on par with that financially
BlueK
10/23/19 3:34pm
That's television money. BYU's total revenue looks like a lower-level P5 program
Doogal McCougar
10/23/19 4:04pm
That is not even remotely close to accurate.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 4:20pm
Here's the source for the data:
Doogal McCougar
10/23/19 5:20pm
Good link. Thanks
TBabyCougs
10/23/19 5:28pm
Alright, so I am certainly not a genius here so please correct me where I am wrong.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 6:54pm
The BYU AD makes the vast majority of its money because of football
Doogal McCougar
10/24/19 12:47pm
Geez. They are rolling in the doh.
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 3:36pm
Thus my point... we are nowhere near "par" with ANY P5 program.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:37pm
I'm guessing you don't spend much time around lower end P5 programs.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:39pm
the fact we're better managed is a separate thing
BlueK
10/23/19 3:39pm
What?
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:46pm
I agree with you. We aren’t on par at all
PessimisticCB
10/23/19 3:39pm
The truth is that there are 3 tiers. We are solidly in tier 2 along with some of
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:43pm
That isn't what you said in your OP.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 3:46pm
Wazzou
All-American
10/23/19 4:17pm
PAC12 school, $31.3M TV money alone.
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 4:20pm
And yet we have more revenue.
All-American
10/23/19 6:44pm
Huh? Your link didn't work...
TheLoneCougar
10/23/19 6:56pm
Actually, we do report it.
All-American
10/23/19 7:29pm
That doesn't say, "According to BYU, the athletic department..."
TheLoneCougar
10/24/19 9:09am
Problem is were financially in the middle between G5 and P5
mudpupper
10/23/19 3:17pm
My guess is that schools like Texas and Ohio State will get tired of subsidizing
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:23pm
Not true. BYU makes more money than a decent chunk of P5 programs
Doogal McCougar
10/23/19 4:17pm
And so does this fan.
All-American
10/23/19 8:15pm
It’s because fans think tv contracts and resources makes you better
USMCdad
10/23/19 3:33pm
"You tend to win more games when you know your opponents." How does that math
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:40pm
Compare the record vs MWC and WAC members be G5 since Indy
USMCdad
10/23/19 3:42pm
Wouldn't it be an equal advantage for the other team as well?
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:45pm
yes if all other things are equal, but like we saw in mwc and wac
USMCdad
10/23/19 3:57pm
RE: yes if all other things are equal, but like we saw in mwc and wac
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 9:55pm
I think you have an excellent point. I think the front loading hurts even more
Yohy
10/23/19 4:01pm
Yet CB complains that we should pay more to get better coaches
baldcoug74
10/23/19 6:14pm
It’s more of how those resources such as the revenue are dispersed. They made
Coug Man in Florida
10/23/19 3:55pm
One of the worst posts I have ever read.
allwhitejerseys
10/23/19 3:56pm
It doesn't have to be the MWC. Work with BSU to create a new conference
mandalorian
10/23/19 4:08pm
I keep hearing this but why when the MWC already exists?
USMCdad
10/23/19 4:12pm
B/C the MWC screwed BYU. Bad blood.
mandalorian
10/23/19 4:13pm
Wouldn't teams have to pay a penalty to leave their conferences.
baldcoug74
10/23/19 6:16pm
Bad losses are killing us, not independence
qom
10/23/19 6:12pm
I'm in favor of independence. I do think we need to mix in an FCS school early
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 6:52pm
What is so great about the MWC?
TrueBlue67
10/23/19 6:14pm
BSU and we already play them
qom
10/23/19 6:23pm
Nothing. That was my point.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 6:53pm
NY6 access, G5 status again, and renewed rivalries
USMCdad
10/23/19 7:39pm
So you want G5 status?
The Dude Abides
10/23/19 7:40pm
Yeah i think getting back to that would be great for the program
USMCdad
10/23/19 9:24pm
This is amazing.
LiveCoug
10/23/19 9:31pm
I know right, but I think we are back and ready to compete with Boise and USU
USMCdad
10/23/19 9:50pm
Here’s what I don’t understand. How is it we improve by being G5? Do you think
The Dude Abides
10/23/19 9:55pm
You know what? Never mind. I’m seeing some of your posts in this
The Dude Abides
10/23/19 9:57pm
We really are and that’s fine with me. I’m stuck in the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s
USMCdad
10/23/19 10:04pm
Go back and look at the talent we had during the WAC and MWC
USMCdad
10/23/19 10:01pm
I get the feeling that this website might blow your mind:
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 10:52pm
Haha yeah so true, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence, all is well
USMCdad
10/24/19 7:53am
I agree the program has regressed, but it has nothing to do with Indy vs. MWC.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/24/19 10:40am
I get that, but I see Utah State and they haven’t regressed like we have
USMCdad
10/24/19 10:46am
Causation ≠ correlation. A return to the MWC would likely make things worse.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/24/19 11:00am
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