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Aug 19, 2019
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USMCdad
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Oh I forgot that’s the new metric for relevance in college football
I’m not up to date on the latest preseason top 25 revenue rankings or attendance rankings.
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The Athletic - Predictions for BYU Football
Cougs1
All-American
8/19/19 7:41am
Ouch. Gotta get 7.
JuicyJam
8/19/19 7:42am
Are we not out of the national picture in August with the MWC?
WorfoSAUR
8/19/19 7:43am
Lol, nope, mwc and wac was what made the program relevant
USMCdad
8/19/19 7:58am
Times have changed. CF has changed
LifeLongLakerFan
8/19/19 7:59am
Exactly, it’s been hard watching the program go this direction.
USMCdad
8/19/19 8:03am
40-25 years ago.
Benfica1
8/19/19 8:23am
Exactly, and still holds up thankfully
USMCdad
8/19/19 8:35am
Until the MWC was gutted by losing Utah and TCU (and BYU)
Indy Coug
8/19/19 8:30am
Hasn’t hurt Boise St or Utah State
USMCdad
8/19/19 8:39am
Check out their respective revenue numbers
Indy Coug
8/19/19 8:41am
And attendance
Gustav
8/19/19 8:47am
Oh I forgot that’s the new metric for relevance in college football
USMCdad
8/19/19 8:53am
Okay, so by what measure is USU relevant?
Gustav
8/19/19 9:07am
Um, they finished last season ranked in the top 25
USMCdad
8/19/19 9:16am
And prior to that in 2012 they finished ranked 16
USMCdad
8/19/19 9:19am
And their coach leapt at the opportunity to leave
Gustav
8/19/19 9:28am
But you asked by what measure are they relevant and I used the top 25 rankings
USMCdad
8/19/19 9:40am
Relevance is measured by several metrics; revenue, television appeal, attendance
Archaea
8/19/19 10:06am
Exactly, USU is more relevant today and since 2012 in their history
USMCdad
8/19/19 10:31am
USU got votes in both major preseason polls. I would consider that relevance.
TrueAggieBlue
8/19/19 10:44am
If a team finishes strong and in or near the top twenty-five, that
Archaea
8/19/19 10:55am
Exactly, and that’s the definition of relevant in sports
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:23am
USU is more relevant than it was but not more relevant than BYU
Archaea
8/19/19 10:55am
You are missing my point, their success in the MWC has made them relevant
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:22am
The question is what ceiling does the G5 put on a team. Boise had success before
Archaea
8/19/19 5:47pm
So by this logic, since Florida St., Miami, and Penn St. were at their peak
chilango
8/19/19 11:16am
No I think by those examples it strengthens the argument for conference
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:29am
2 ranked finishes since 1961.
Gentleman Stan
8/19/19 9:40am
Exactly my point, both since Indy, that’s my whole point
USMCdad
8/19/19 10:30am
BYU's definition of relevance is different that USU's.
Archaea
8/19/19 11:02am
I think they both see the way to be relevant is through the NY6 bowls
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:35am
If you think a pair of top 25 rankings are a reflection of relevance? If you are
unctoothman
8/19/19 4:05pm
The comparison was G5 is irrelevant after August, it’s not true
USMCdad
8/19/19 4:17pm
No. How would an undefeated byu not be in the national conversation? It would be
Josef K
8/19/19 8:50am
It’s like people forget what once was, and still is for other G5 teams
USMCdad
8/19/19 8:58am
This might be the funniest thing I've read
LiveCoug
8/19/19 9:11am
RE: This might be the funniest thing I've read
USMCdad
8/19/19 9:28am
Maybe BYU should move to the Division 1-AA or whatever it's called now.
Archaea
8/19/19 10:08am
RE: Maybe BYU should move to the Division 1-AA or whatever it's called now.
USMCdad
8/19/19 10:51am
Since moving down makes you relevant, using your logic.
Archaea
8/19/19 10:56am
MWC isn’t moving down from Indy, the access to NY6 alone is an upgrade
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:40am
I see playing relevant P5 games as the litmus test. Moving to G5 means
Archaea
8/19/19 5:50pm
Yep, and UCF finished 12-0 and still didn't get in the Playoff. That is not
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/19/19 11:10am
They played NY6 and were the talk of every college football publication
USMCdad
8/19/19 11:42am
Just being talked about but not having an opportunity. BYU has to just win even
BYU I Bleed Blue
8/19/19 12:18pm
But that’s the point, BSU, USU and others have proven that G5 conference
USMCdad
8/19/19 12:23pm
Just win and BYU will be talk about.
coolblue
8/19/19 12:23pm
I don't know man, if your only goal for this program is a national championship,
Josef K
8/19/19 12:26pm
The assumption that we would go undefeated in the MWC...
Cougar8Duck
8/19/19 9:13am
Not an assumption of mine. But, if we can't go undefeated in the MWC, there is
Josef K
8/19/19 12:29pm
I don’t think we could go undefeated in the MWC right away
USMCdad
8/19/19 12:34pm
But going 4-0 puts us in a National Picture the MWC could never.
bluebrotha
8/19/19 12:02pm
You can still play OOC games in the MWC. We wouldn't get into playoff either way
shakarocks
8/19/19 12:14pm
With the evolving landscape, no way a BYU G5 team plays 3 P5 teams at home.
bluebrotha
8/19/19 5:03pm
True, but 4-0 has only happened once, and that time it also put us there
USMCdad
8/19/19 12:15pm
News flash... No non-P5 is in the NP. BYU has a nice fun schedule without any
blackshirts
8/19/19 12:20pm
Gotta prove 'em wrong ...
Art Director
8/19/19 7:50am
8 wins.
Benfica1
8/19/19 7:57am
not the rosiest of opinions
BlueFrog
8/19/19 8:01am
How embarrassing Stewart. You're smarter than to believe the MWC is a good move
LiveCoug
8/19/19 8:04am
Just to be clear, He said I fail to see how this is a more enjoyable experience&
rcbyufan
8/19/19 8:28am
But Mr. Scoobs keeps telling everyone our schedules are easy compared to before.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 8:06am
Don't shoot the messenger. It's just the data.
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 8:51am
Just keep pushing a false narrative.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 9:03am
Why is presenting objective data labeled a "narrative"?
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 9:22am
This conversation goes the same every time, and you refuse to have
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 10:29am
I'm not sure why you are bringing Kalani vs Bronco into this thread. I'm
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 10:46am
You are demonstrating a disconnect from reality.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 11:28am
Please enlighten me using an actual response other than ad hominem.
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 11:41am
You need to address the point you keep ignoring.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 1:11pm
Which is what point? Or do you pride yourself in being vague?
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 1:33pm
Bronco was declining the longer he was here... go!
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 2:34pm
I don't think he was declining. There was a natural adjustment to our W-L record due to increased P5 scheduling
Indy Coug
8/19/19 2:39pm
That’s a fair opinion, but I don’t fully agree.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 5:17pm
Have I disputed Bronco had worse seasons than compared to 06-09?
Mr. Scoobs
8/19/19 3:13pm
I have never been a Kalani is amazing guy, I’m just glad Bronco is gone.
bluecougar1985
8/19/19 5:16pm
Why do you have a different bar for different coaches? What do you think should
Mr. Scoobs
8/20/19 2:52pm
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bluecougar1985
8/19/19 1:10pm
BYU is out of the national picture regardless of its situation right now.
Baron
8/19/19 8:06am
Just win and keep winning, BYU, it's the only way to shut these guys up.
BlueFever
8/19/19 8:11am
Those guys are decent writers but when it comes to prospects of specific teams
Gustav
8/19/19 8:12am
As Greg Wrubell put it a few years ago "There's no going back, boys".
BlueFever
8/19/19 8:33am
He sees a 6-6 BYU missing a bowl? Is that even a possibility this year? I
chilango
8/19/19 8:12am
BYU is contracted to the Hawaii Bowl.
Jeffacka
8/19/19 8:22am
yes big sportswriter is out to lunch. If BYU is 6-6 they go to the Hawaii bowl
cwilke1
8/19/19 9:28am
That’s what I thought. It’s funny to see Mandel predict 6-6 and not going to a
chilango
8/19/19 10:34am
LOL! If Beale you go 6-6 this season
BYUvermont
8/19/19 9:08am
Oh!! I love this so much....!!
Pretorian
8/19/19 9:34am
Hard to say whether or not it is more difficult. The travel is waaaay worse.
ThorLebowski
8/19/19 9:48am
Yep. And unlike most of CougarBoard, I like to keep my expectations in check until after the first game or two.
Brisco
8/19/19 9:42am
Stewart Mandel has now changed his prediction for BYU -now 5-7 changed from 6-6
cwilke1
8/19/19 10:17am
What the heck is wrong with people? How many times do national writers need to
andrewg3
8/19/19 11:08am
Unfortunately the past 2 years have not had us at 8-9 wins. I think we get 8...
Cougstreak
8/19/19 11:29am
Well, when was the last time BYU over performed by 3-4 games?
BYU Fan
8/19/19 3:49pm
Using my numbers and being totally unbiased I have BYU winning 14 games this
pappabear246
8/19/19 11:54am
one interesting point I just noticed today is that these top 3 CFB writers for
cwilke1
8/20/19 2:27pm
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