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Jun 12, 2019
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YSMACK
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All the people that watch and play soccer the most seem to think so, yes.
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Dumb soccer question. Why is our women's team so dominant while our men's team
Windward_Coug
6/12/19 2:07pm
Girls have been playing organized sports in the US longer. Soccer for girls is more popular.
Grit for Brains
6/12/19 2:07pm
Our USWNT support structure and opportunities for girls are superior.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:09pm
More sports opportunities for girls in the US, as compared to most of the world.
Joe Banks
6/12/19 2:09pm
Crazy, I honestly didn't know this. I served in the West Indies and girls
Windward_Coug
6/12/19 2:11pm
I might be wrong, but it’s a perception I have.
Joe Banks
6/12/19 2:36pm
Most countries lag way behind the US in terms of interest in women's soccer. It
gwalker
6/12/19 2:11pm
In many ways it is #4.
JmThms
6/13/19 1:20am
Men’s soccer is competing with Football for athletes.
Metallicat
6/12/19 2:11pm
Disagree. Our soccer athletes are often much better than our opponents
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:15pm
How can that be true when football requires big physiques, and
JmThms
6/13/19 1:19am
Think defensive backs and wide receivers
LaserCoug
6/13/19 5:55am
Yep just like Messi, Griezman, hazard..
cougfanz
6/13/19 6:58am
There is SOME overlap in typical physiques with those positions.
JmThms
6/13/19 8:41am
Think, getting or keeping those athletes in soccer from an early age not
LaserCoug
6/13/19 8:47am
From the perspective of attracting and keeping a larger swath of Americans in
JmThms
6/13/19 9:00am
This is what I’m talking about.
Metallicat
6/13/19 12:32pm
OK yes but "losing athletes to football" is NOT equivalent to
JmThms
6/13/19 2:46pm
They would be just as poorly developed as the ones on the team now.
mik3
6/13/19 9:01am
Right. I'm with you. Its skill and our system hasn't matured and developed
JmThms
6/13/19 9:24am
Yes he is. HS football is full of guys that size who never play after HS.
Byron McNertney
6/13/19 1:19pm
Soccer gets the best womens athletes whereas it gets the leftovers after 3-5
JONBOY
6/12/19 2:11pm
This is simply wrong and this misconception is actually part of why we struggle
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:17pm
Jon is right and you are half right.
Cobra Venom
6/12/19 2:28pm
Yep. Imagine KD or LeBron as a goalkeeper or Deion at pretty much any position.
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 2:20pm
SMH
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:23pm
"Smarts, practice, and instruction." Basically what I said only I added talent.
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 2:29pm
Uh no, you are talking about superior athletes. That isn't the US's problem.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:30pm
You keep trying to separate the "best athletes" issue and the development issue.
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 2:38pm
It isn't even worth explaining the difference to you anymore.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:39pm
Sorry, it's still the best athletes go to other sports. My son has played soccer
LaserCoug
6/12/19 2:52pm
LOL. HS soccer is a joke in the US. The best players don't even play HS.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:00pm
Further
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:02pm
They peel off along the way. I've watched the club soccer scene as well. It
LaserCoug
6/12/19 3:05pm
I have coached in some of the best clubs in Utah. They rarely peel away.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:06pm
Doesn't matter. The problem is that if they didn't peel off, they'd be poorly developed anyway, like
mik3
6/12/19 3:10pm
Ah! You're finally starting to understand it a little.
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 3:07pm
No they aren't. From a text I just sent to arguably the top club club in Utah
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:11pm
Who claimed that the kids who'd be the best soccer players are playing club?
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 3:14pm
Also, I don't know where your kid goes to HS, but
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:04pm
They have already left
LaserCoug
6/12/19 3:06pm
At what age are you saying this happens. I almost never see an elite soccer play
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:08pm
In our area, I see the first wave of it happen around 10-11. When it first
LaserCoug
6/12/19 3:17pm
What area is that. It isn't Utah. La Roca doesn't have that problem.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:20pm
I'm not in Utah
LaserCoug
6/12/19 3:21pm
You also said it was happening everywhere. It definitely isn't.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:22pm
Enjoy the women’s World Cup
LaserCoug
6/12/19 3:25pm
You too 🙂
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:27pm
You're spot on on everything you are saying...
cougfanz
6/12/19 4:01pm
SIGH...yeah, clearly I'm the one who doesn't understand.
Byron McNertney
6/12/19 2:54pm
All the people that watch and play soccer the most seem to think so, yes.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:16pm
Most NFL and NBA athletes wouldn't make good soccer players even if they were
Dynasty1
6/12/19 2:29pm
Exactly.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:31pm
Exactly x 2.. that athlete arguments gets played out over and over and is dumb.
cougfanz
6/12/19 2:56pm
KD or LeBron could play GK and be excellent. LeBron might be a serviceable CB. But almost anywhere else
mik3
6/12/19 2:29pm
Largely because GK isn't as highly skill or tactical dependent as other position
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:42pm
Women's soccer structure infrastructure is the best in the world. Not the case for men's soccer.
mik3
6/12/19 2:17pm
it's really not tho.
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:21pm
Because...?
mik3
6/12/19 2:26pm
do you really need me to spell this out for you? In america our best athletes
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:30pm
You are again conflating "athleticism that matters in basketball" with "traits that make an elite soccer player".
mik3
6/12/19 2:33pm
ok, so elite quickness, agility, strength, vision etc don't make good soccer
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:43pm
LOL. You know nothing.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:50pm
so you're going on record as saying the US team has the most talented/athletic
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 3:28pm
LOL. Ghana works more against your point than anything I said.
YSMACK
6/12/19 3:34pm
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YSMACK
6/12/19 3:33pm
The current USMNT isn't lacking in "quickness, agility, strength", though. You could get them faster,
mik3
6/12/19 2:50pm
This is just a flawed argument that is brought up all the time.
JmThms
6/13/19 1:05am
It really is though. I love watching fat, old latino guys CRUSH young kids
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:26pm
The difference is the old fat Mexican has played soccer his entire life to
Metallicat
6/12/19 2:30pm
No it isn't. They are playing kids that also have played their whole lives, but
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:35pm
so you're saying the system is entirely to blame for US soccer sadness?
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:48pm
No. I am saying that those who focus on athletes choosing other sports are wrong
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:51pm
your elite athletes can learn those "skills" surprisingly fast.. then what?
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:31pm
No they can't. Not in our system. We don't have the coaches for it or the cultur
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:36pm
Lol no, those skills aren't picked up on the fly. La Masía kids work in those skills all day
mik3
6/12/19 2:42pm
dude you are not fighting fair. People are trying to tell you that if our elite
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 2:46pm
Then why did you argue that elite athletes would learn those skills "surprisingly fast"?
mik3
6/12/19 2:53pm
I said it because it is also true. You thumbs up YSMACK post saying US has most
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 3:30pm
In soccer, the most athletic players aren't the best players.
mik3
6/12/19 3:33pm
Except I never said that.
YSMACK
6/13/19 1:09am
A Ziggy Ansah story can never happen in soccer.
JmThms
6/13/19 8:43am
I think both statements can be true. The US has a great women's soccer
mudpupper
6/12/19 2:23pm
The thing is that the raw athleticism that matters in football and basketball is not as important
mik3
6/12/19 2:27pm
how is the women's soccer structure different from the men? More $$/resources
cougfanz
6/12/19 2:58pm
And you don’t think the “infrastructure” for
Metallicat
6/12/19 2:25pm
I do think that is relevant.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:28pm
Ochocinco might be something in soccer if that was his focus. But it wasn’t.
Metallicat
6/12/19 2:32pm
OMH. Keep putting your head in the sand.
YSMACK
6/12/19 2:38pm
No, not really. The US already spends a TON of money on soccer. The issue is that the way that money
mik3
6/12/19 2:34pm
Title IX
morris_center
6/12/19 2:29pm
It's a rich, white kid sport.
WDaddy
6/12/19 2:57pm
yet it's the sport of the poorest countries
vabeachcoug
6/12/19 3:27pm
in America only the tiny whites are playing it.
Mayor of Cougartown
6/12/19 3:31pm
Um, or "normal sized people".
JmThms
6/13/19 8:53am
Interesting article that, in part, addresses this.
Jimo Dashen
6/12/19 3:02pm
but even then the "other" countries never had developed their women players
cougfanz
6/12/19 4:00pm
Dumb boys playing football. Look at what they can make playing soccer. Highest 3
Blue for Life
6/12/19 9:24pm
Crazy that Tom Brady is back at #81 while a ginger from Mexico that most people
Dynasty1
6/12/19 9:51pm
Boxing makes a ton of money via PPV.
mik3
6/12/19 10:08pm
Definitely, I just didn't realize that Alvarez was making that kind of dough
Dynasty1
6/13/19 9:17am
Tom Brady would be somewhat higher if he didn't accept pay cuts
OlanchoCoug
6/13/19 7:23am
Men's soccer is more competitive
Heinz57
6/13/19 1:01pm
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