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Feb 15, 2019
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USMCdad
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Same time not same path
If there was a water fall 4 hours into her climb up, to hit that same water fall exactly 4 hours in her decent would be highly unlikely
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POLL: Here's a question from a Critical Thinking class I recently took.
JayOwen
Gie's a break
2/15/19 11:41am
An African or European nun?
Sea Chicken
2/15/19 11:42am
South American
JayOwen
2/15/19 11:43am
I'm just impressed that she can climb and descend at (close to) identical rates.
Pistol Shrimp
2/15/19 11:45am
The goal of the question was to check what assumptions people make and how well they can explain their
JayOwen
2/15/19 11:45am
Is this a comparison of solar time to the 24-hour clock?
scootsy
2/15/19 11:47am
no
JayOwen
2/15/19 11:48am
Pics?
sevenIDcougs
2/15/19 11:50am
RE: Pics?
Frank Castiglione
2/15/19 11:52am
RE: Pics?
soupie
2/15/19 2:03pm
Highly unlikely but not impossible.
SLC-Warrior
2/15/19 11:52am
There is only one place where she can do this
USMCdad
2/15/19 11:56am
what am I missing? doesn't it have to be 100%?
The Shazad
2/15/19 11:57am
Same time not same path
USMCdad
2/15/19 11:58am
the question says same path
The Shazad
2/15/19 12:01pm
But she has to hit the same part of the path at the same exact time
USMCdad
2/15/19 12:19pm
Imagine the nun's ghost coming up while she's climbing down. Wherever they
swimbro
2/15/19 12:24pm
True I guess the time of day doesn’t matter
USMCdad
2/15/19 12:30pm
But in that case they are constantly on each other the entire time on the trail
USMCdad
2/15/19 12:31pm
Wouldn't they be going opposite directions?
whirl
2/15/19 2:12pm
It is 100%. Imagine her ghost or a friend or whatever.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 12:00pm
This was my thought as well. If they leave at the same time, at some point they
Mikey
2/15/19 12:07pm
I understand it as same time of day, not crossing paths.
crazY
2/15/19 12:29pm
You can't cross paths without being at the same spot at the same time.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 12:31pm
That's not true.
crazY
2/15/19 1:15pm
It’s both. Same place at the same time. It has to happen at least once.
Jay Rick
2/15/19 12:37pm
Not without backtracking so technically it would be possible
USMCdad
2/15/19 12:42pm
that's not the question though, it's considering 1 person's movement on the trail on 2 days, not 2 people's on 1 day
byujag
2/15/19 12:38pm
You're way over thinking this. The easiest is to realize that it's the same
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 12:48pm
I get your argument and agree with it, I just think you're fundamentally changing the original question
byujag
2/15/19 12:51pm
I'm really not. It really is the same question.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 12:55pm
You're completely ignoring the "same time" part of it.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:10pm
How could it not be the same time if they are face to face?
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 1:21pm
RE: How could it not be the same time if they are face to face?
crazY
2/15/19 1:23pm
Same time *on both days*
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:25pm
Meant for left shark
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:26pm
I really can't make this any more painfully obvious than I already have.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 1:27pm
Thanks for being condescending, but you clearly have a different interpretation
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:38pm
100%, yes. Still the same question.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 1:43pm
No, it's not. Your answer works with both a moving point in space and different
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:59pm
and there will be one point on the path where they will match
The Shazad
2/15/19 2:03pm
Why are you pre-selecting a point? Just look at the point where they both match.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 2:05pm
RE: Why are you pre-selecting a point? Just look at the point where they both
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 2:08pm
It's crazy that YOU don't get it.
crazY
2/15/19 1:44pm
Ok, calm down. If she's face to face with her ghost,
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 1:58pm
On both days?
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 2:00pm
Is she face to face with her ghost? If she is, the both watches should be
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 2:02pm
If she and her ghost ascend and descend on consecutive days, do they meet at the
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 2:07pm
Perhaps if we use an illustration you WILL understand...
Breaded Hamster
2/15/19 4:13pm
The only thing that matters with sunrise and sunset is that it guarantees that
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 5:21pm
I wrote this over 2 hours before you wrote the post I'm replying to
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 7:03pm
Yes sir.
crazY
2/15/19 2:00pm
Think of it this way.
Left Shark Coug
2/15/19 1:03pm
That's a clever explanation, but that's not the question
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:08pm
I think you have proven yourself a true bsu bronco on this thread.
shimmy
2/15/19 4:15pm
Fair enough.
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 4:19pm
Yep. That’s how I read it.
Jay Rick
2/15/19 12:05pm
the scenario assumes too much to predict that it will happen with any certainty
byujag
2/15/19 12:05pm
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Q-grr
2/15/19 12:05pm
If she ascended on the spring equinox and descended on the fall equinox it would
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 12:34pm
Not exactly. The shift in day length isn’t linear.
Breaded Hamster
2/15/19 12:48pm
The fact that she arrived at her destination *exactly* at sundown on both days
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 12:59pm
pace is irrelevant
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:05pm
But that's not the question. The question is "Estimate the probability the nun
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:07pm
then integrate that probability across the full path, and you get 100%
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:11pm
The question isn't whether they'll cross, it's whether they're at the same point
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:14pm
if you cross on the same path, then you're at the same point at the same time
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:20pm
Not on both days
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:24pm
Haha, no you're not. Timing of breaks, variance in pace throughout the day, etc.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:24pm
see the ghost comparison above - day and pace make no difference
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:28pm
Yes it does. The question is about the time, not the crossing of paths.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:20pm
seriously? am I missing a joke like I did with The Greenrake?
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:23pm
Huh? There's only one nun. She's not going to be face-to-face with herself.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:34pm
it asks if she'd pass the same point on the trail.....
The Shazad
2/15/19 1:42pm
I'm wrong. I was ignoring the parameters of start and stop times. You're right.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:44pm
Yep, she'd have to pass the same tree at exactly 12:03:42 both days. Unlikely.
Byron McNertney
2/15/19 1:18pm
Doubtful.
pink22
2/15/19 3:24pm
Swimbro's ghost consideration helps to visualize it happening 100%.
Q-grr
2/15/19 1:15pm
It's 100% that they'll cross paths, but that's not the question. The question
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:17pm
You run down as fast as you can, and I will hop, skip walk backwards and change
Q-grr
2/15/19 1:22pm
That's great, but it's not whether or not the paths cross. It's whether or not
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:25pm
It isn't Quantum Leap. The travel path will intersect at a single moment in time
Q-grr
2/15/19 1:34pm
I agree, but that's not the question. Does she cross the exact same millimeter
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:41pm
Select a person to replicate her exact moves up the day she is decending.
Q-grr
2/15/19 1:55pm
stops for lunch from 12-1 at the shrine midway
calcio
2/15/19 1:09pm
I like it! Except she'd have to stop somewhere between the monastery and shrine
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 1:10pm
Bad choice of words. Maybe a McDonalds, sit in same booth?
calcio
2/15/19 1:56pm
This is my favorite answer, by the way!
Dread Pirate Westley
2/15/19 2:07pm
it appears this is a great question for a critical thinking class
byujag
2/15/19 1:27pm
Haha, yep, the question did it's job.
Breaded Hamster
2/15/19 1:28pm
These are the sorts of threads that make me start a culling of my FO list
supertux
2/15/19 4:21pm
"some point"
BertoChavez
2/15/19 4:46pm
Just saw this. I hacked you in a new thread.
supertux
2/15/19 5:22pm
Their paths HAVE to cross
infinitybubble
2/17/19 1:21pm
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