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Mar 13, 2018
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CougarBacker
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This is all run by football unfortunately. BBall is always going to take a
backseat to football. You simply don't risk destroying your football program so your basketball team can have a few better games.
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Thumbs down me all you want
BYUheaven
3/13/18 1:56pm
The Nebraska win was pretty fun.
SandYFan
3/13/18 1:57pm
probably the most fun sporting event of my life (spectating)
Mayor of Cougartown
3/13/18 2:05pm
Fun but, Nebraska was 6 and 7 that year. Meh
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:41pm
Yet a 6-7 Nebraska is still better and more interesting than any 11-2 MWC team
Extra Biscuits
3/13/18 6:09pm
The MWCers don't seem to understand this for some reason
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:35pm
I agree to a point. The problem is as Indy it's just an exhibition game with no
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:20am
What recruit do you know that wants to play for a MWC championship? You don't
CougarBacker
3/14/18 9:37am
The facts state yes. Recruiting has gone down since 2011. 2017 was the first
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:00pm
You're absolutely wrong about the recruiting. Our recruiting issues have nothing
CougarBacker
3/14/18 6:11pm
Why does that matter? They were 0-0 when we beat them. When Mitch caught the...
COACHdrn
3/13/18 9:09pm
Joining the AAC doesn't mean BYU can't play Nebraska or Texas anymore
BYU Fan
3/14/18 10:21am
But it would make scheduling MUCH more difficult. BYU as an Indy helps their SOS, win or lose.
morningcalmcougar
3/14/18 10:38am
I think we pretty much killed Wisconsin's OOC SOS last year
BYU Fan
3/14/18 11:17am
I fail to understand how anything you just posted doesn't become worse in mwc
CougarBacker
3/14/18 11:24am
I don't want to move back to the MWC
BYU Fan
3/14/18 11:54am
I could be convinced that the AAC is a good place for us. Much more so than
CougarBacker
3/14/18 12:00pm
I'm afraid the money is going to dry up if we don't start winning
BYU Fan
3/14/18 12:15pm
I think you're putting way too much credence on 1 bad season. Other than last
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:20pm
Maybe so - hopefully they can get things turned around next year
BYU Fan
3/14/18 1:40pm
You're right. You shouldn't take one season. Unless you also got a 90+ recruit-
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:09pm
Why are you talking SOS for FB. It doesn't matter for Indy teams not named ND.
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:05pm
You're reading that clause wrong. You'll never convince me that a 11-1 or
CougarBacker
3/14/18 6:12pm
Independence is way better than MWC.
Turnpike Lane
3/13/18 1:59pm
Independence isn't way better than the MWC was...
Coug
3/13/18 2:05pm
Except those days are over and not coming back. There is no going back to it. You might as well wish you were 12 again.
Turnpike Lane
3/13/18 2:09pm
I agree that in the MWC that can't be offered anymore
Coug
3/13/18 2:16pm
Did we ever get USC and Washington at home in the same season in a G5 conference?
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:26pm
We had USC & Notre Dame at home the same season
CaliWG
3/13/18 2:27pm
Thanks for the rebuttal. Next question did we average 4+ P5 games a year in a G5 conference?
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:29pm
Why does it matter?
Coug
3/13/18 2:35pm
Games against legit opponents. More opportunities to travel to CFB meccas. Youd have to have eaten paint chips as a kid
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:41pm
I'd rather play an AAC schedule...
Coug
3/13/18 3:27pm
I believe that Navy, Houston, Memphis, Boise, UCF, and USF are all legit
BYU Fan
3/14/18 12:03pm
You have to seperate today's college football landscape from 10-15-20 years ago
CougarBacker
3/14/18 12:12pm
That wasn't the aim of the scheduling strategy
CaliWG
3/13/18 2:39pm
Bingo. We can do what we want. If we want 4 P5's a year in the MWC we can. It's
Cougarfan777
3/13/18 10:25pm
Yet we can’t schedule 5, 6, 7, or 8 P5 teams, can we? Playing those teams is
Extra Biscuits
3/13/18 10:34pm
Yes, you can schedule 5, 6, 7,.. P5 exhibition games.
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:41am
2004. We had USC, Notre Dame at home, and Stanford and Boise on the road
Cougarfan777
3/13/18 10:23pm
No we won't be able to do that in the future. As soon as we go mwc, we are no
CougarBacker
3/13/18 10:40pm
Seriously this is ridiculous...
Coug
3/14/18 10:15am
If I really have to explain this to you, it's probably not worth explaining it
CougarBacker
3/14/18 11:18am
Cause you can't explain it...
Coug
3/14/18 12:21pm
Actually I've explained it multiple times already. I'm not interested in
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:21pm
You are looking at name of teams, not quality of opponent.
Coug
3/13/18 2:34pm
Or both of them. Was Texas down when we beat them absolutely. So was Michigan State but they were coming off a Playoff
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:43pm
I'm with you in not wanting the MWC...
Coug
3/13/18 3:23pm
Doesn't do any good if you cant cross the 50!
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:53pm
I'm pretty sure BlackShirts is a UU troll.
Benfica1
3/13/18 8:45pm
I'm sure you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:29am
Now who's the dumb one? I'm not even a knife.
Benfica1
3/14/18 8:02am
Blackshirts when every yewt fan on the planet is pining for BYU to return to the
CougarBacker
3/14/18 9:38am
I'm glad you said that. It the #1 reason BYU fans still hold on to INDY. They're
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:11pm
No it's not. We hold on to it because it makes more sense than begging the
CougarBacker
3/14/18 6:13pm
One main difference is that P5 conferences consider independent BYU a P5 game, so it is easier to schedule us
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 7:10pm
Navy, Cincinnati and someone else is also considered P5..
Coug
3/13/18 8:28pm
Army is "considered" P5. It is not a private cool club.
blackshirts
3/13/18 8:31pm
@Benfica1, why thumbs down? It is true. Army is considered P5.
blackshirts
3/14/18 6:36am
When did games against Cincinnati get P5 recognition? Must have missed that. Agree that Army qualifying is ????
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 8:36pm
Army & Navy are because P5's like Notre Dame have a traditional yearly game
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:37pm
Exactly my point. By moving to ANY G5, our ability to schedule meaningful P5 games is greatly reduced
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 8:40pm
Oh don't get me wrong, I 100% agree. People who want to go back are shortsighted
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:44pm
We are shortsighted because we float out things like being "considered" is something important...
Coug
3/14/18 1:39pm
You're shortsighted because you don't understand what a terrible financial
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:42pm
Financially...
Coug
3/14/18 1:52pm
You know I've already spelled out all of this multiple times in this thread
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:55pm
But nobody in the MWC is. How odd?
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:36pm
Can you show me anywhere where I have said let's go back to the MWC?
Coug
3/14/18 1:53pm
Then what on earth are you arguing about? You realize that's what this thread
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:56pm
I'd say the AAC as it stands could provide that same level of competition and
The Lone Star Cougar
3/13/18 2:20pm
Key word: "WAS"
Benfica1
3/13/18 2:50pm
BYU during MWC> BYU during Independence, that is what it all boils down to. You
kolob32
3/13/18 2:34pm
I would bet money that a Taysom Hill/Jamaal team would eat the 2009 team for breakfast. We were used to being a big fish
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:45pm
I don't know the answer to this but compare the NFL players during the Max Hall
kolob32
3/13/18 2:57pm
Both were pre Indy recruits. 2017 was the first year of all Indy recruits. That
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:37pm
LOL way to cherry pick there
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:39pm
You would lose a lot of money on that bet
D.T. Survivor
3/13/18 8:59pm
Not Even Close
Tsisquan
3/13/18 11:38pm
I somewhat agree; but the false logic that so many subscribe to is that
Extra Biscuits
3/13/18 2:57pm
The problem with this argument is that you're trying to blame independence for
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:42pm
Independence is a big reason for our football issues. Its got alot to do with
kolob32
3/13/18 5:08pm
LOL I have some swampland near the great salt lake to sell you
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:10pm
Yeah, its called "Independence Rocks"
kolob32
3/13/18 5:13pm
Nope just much, much, much better than the MWC
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:15pm
With independence there is nothing on the line. It's like pick-up ball.
OpusX
3/13/18 3:14pm
That's because we're not winning. Winning changes that
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:43pm
Go see what our record will be in 2019 and tell me how fun it will be.
IronPotato
3/14/18 12:19pm
How can we go see what our record is in 2019 when we haven't played yet?
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:23pm
I enjoy the possiblity of beating Arizona, Cal, Wisonsin, Washington, and Boise
Lance71
3/13/18 2:02pm
I don't think we would even be having this conversation if BYU had a winning
crack
3/13/18 2:05pm
That is absolutely true. But if we were winning in the MWC, still a conversation
Lance71
3/13/18 3:23pm
Last few years? Last year was the only year they didn't have a winning record
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:43pm
We beat arizona, cal and Washington while winning MWC championships
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:09pm
You can't talk about 12-0 and 11-1 as if it is so "exciting" in the MWC.
Lip Gallagher
3/13/18 6:06pm
Yeah but BYU has no shot of winning those games really anymore.
ToasterChive
3/13/18 3:37pm
They do and have except last year. Your post eeks of emotional over reaction.
BYUButters
3/13/18 3:39pm
So you would rather go back to a non challenging schedule and win the MWC?
Lance71
3/13/18 3:40pm
This makes no sense to me. We have 1 bad season and all of a sudden we can't
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:45pm
It's the past 2-3 years against P5.
ToasterChive
3/13/18 4:54pm
Not true. We were 3-3 against P5's in 2016 just 2 seasons ago and all 3 losses
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:13pm
Trips to KC, Phoenix, Washington DC, New Orleans.
kccougar
3/13/18 2:05pm
My trip to Ann Arbor was epic.
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:11pm
I went to both Ann Arbor and Pasadena that year. I also went to New Orleans last year. Each venue was a great place to
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:14pm
If it wasn't, you did it wrong.
kccougar
3/13/18 2:14pm
It was awesome outside of 12pm to 3pm 😁
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:16pm
My travel to that game was as miserable as the game itself. After the game our rental car broke down and my dad and i
monkeycowboy
3/13/18 2:22pm
What was super memorable about the MWC?
Niiineteeen84
3/13/18 2:05pm
2001, 2006, 2007 were memorable. Winning is memorable. I just don't see that
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:14pm
Even 08 & 09 were memorable because the program was stable & the teams were good
CaliWG
3/13/18 2:26pm
Those teams were memorable becuase we beat TCU/Utah (06/07)
BYUButters
3/13/18 3:40pm
Winning is memorable? So how did you forget about every year of indy, besides
IceCreamButt
3/13/18 8:28pm
2009 was memorable, we ended the season ranked and beat Utah, plus we had a
kolob32
3/13/18 2:30pm
Being in the Top 25 was sure fun.
IronPotato
3/14/18 12:18pm
Yeah it was fun as an Indy too. For some reason you think moving to the MWC
CougarBacker
3/14/18 1:24pm
My internal debate: MWC/AAC games vs Middle/Lower tier P5 games
CaliWG
3/13/18 2:14pm
Also, which school had the more memorable stretch/season the last 3 years?
boscatar
3/13/18 2:36pm
I know which one had the least memorable
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:40pm
"If BYU can still play those games" BYU won't. Look no further than Boise.
BYUButters
3/13/18 3:41pm
Boise has long-term series with us. Hosts Florida St. in '20, Oklahoma St in '21
boscatar
3/13/18 4:33pm
CSU played Alabama, Colorado, and OSU last year
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:22pm
You do of course realize that P5 conferences are slimming their G5 games right?
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:42pm
Boise finished 2017 - ranked #22 SDSU-32 Fresno St-33... in a down year
killaD
3/13/18 6:21pm
But but......look at all the money we make, plus I can see all the amazing games
kolob32
3/13/18 6:25pm
LOL at you guys thinking going back to the MWC automatically makes us better
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:42pm
I am pro mwc/aac etc. I know it won't change our team overnight but it gives us
kolob32
3/13/18 8:49pm
It doesn't though. You don't purposely decrease your money and exposure and
CougarBacker
3/13/18 9:14pm
How many wins would we have had in mwc if we were part of it last year?
kolob32
3/14/18 10:24am
The motivation to make changes and compete at a highler level wouldn't be there
BYUButters
3/14/18 10:37am
I doubt it. We likely would have been 1-3 ooc and we already went 3-3 In mwc
CougarBacker
3/14/18 11:33am
Can someone explain what our failure has to do with independence
Colorado
3/13/18 2:23pm
My point is, i am a bball guy first.... And watching football go 7-5 and bball
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:31pm
This is all run by football unfortunately. BBall is always going to take a
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:50pm
Recruiting! Even recruits know Indy is like being the Wash Gen.
blackshirts
3/13/18 7:43pm
Don't know that I agree. I think the schedules we have, the venues we play in, along with our facilities
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 7:56pm
Good comments. However, there is no NY6 access. It is basically the LV bowl.
blackshirts
3/13/18 8:12pm
I think if we have a good 10-2 type run, we probably get LV. But we do it again the next year, we would get NY6
morningcalmcougar
3/13/18 8:27pm
Here is how NY6 works. There is one open G5 spot. It goes to the highest ranked
blackshirts
3/13/18 9:32pm
You have no clue what would happen if BYU went 12-0, 11-1 with one of our
CougarBacker
3/13/18 9:45pm
You state this like we have not access because we are not in a G5 conference. The rules simply state the highest ranked
morningcalmcougar
3/14/18 10:34am
You have no idea about access. We haven't won enough to be in the discussion
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:47pm
Bowl games are waaaaaay overrated. I’d rather play teams like Wisconsin
Colorado
3/13/18 8:48pm
MWC would be exponentially worse. Imagine trying to recruit against any P5 team
CougarBacker
3/13/18 8:45pm
We lost to UMass last year...at home...16-10
SlantRoute
3/13/18 2:24pm
We went Indy mainly with hopes of eventually becoming part of a P5 conference. It didn't work.
lightmann
3/13/18 2:35pm
Exactly.
BYUheaven
3/13/18 2:37pm
So - you think the MWC is a big attraction for recruits? Really?
Eddie
3/13/18 2:44pm
NO! I didn't say that. Don't say that people said stuff that they didn't say. Go back and read it again.
lightmann
3/13/18 2:51pm
Sorry - you seemed to be saying that indy was bad, which I interpreted as...
Eddie
3/13/18 2:54pm
I don't think Indy was a bad choice to try. But — I do think it hasn't worked out they way that we had hoped.
lightmann
3/13/18 3:27pm
CFB paradigm has changed. However, going back to G5 would be much worse than
BYUButters
3/14/18 12:10am
No we didn’t. We went Indy for “Access and Exposure”. Nice revisionist history
BYUButters
3/14/18 12:09am
Riley's fake spike. KVN @ Ole Miss. KVN SDSU. Riley Miracle vs USU. Miss St 2016
andrewg3
3/13/18 2:42pm
Heck, I'd even add Toledo as a memorable game. That was a fun one.
andrewg3
3/13/18 2:45pm
"Riley Miracle vs. USU", really? That is just so depressing for the state of BYU
Diablo and Doc
3/13/18 8:18pm
Clearly you weren't at that game. It was a solid Gary Andersen-led team with
andrewg3
3/14/18 9:37am
I watched it, that game was garbage.
Diablo and Doc
3/14/18 10:25am
You can shun Riley Nelson all you want. His team finished ranked in the Top 25.
andrewg3
3/14/18 11:58am
In spite of his QB skills. Great Defense that year wasn't it.
Diablo and Doc
3/14/18 12:15pm
It was a great D, but not as good as 2012. I would say the 2012 team was the one
andrewg3
3/14/18 1:36pm
You omit your solution
rocker
3/13/18 2:42pm
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rocker
3/13/18 2:51pm
I will be officially done with BYU athletics if the slink back to a G5 conferenc
kotacoug
3/13/18 2:44pm
Me too. I'm a 25 year season ticket holder and I would be done if we went
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:53pm
BYE, and take Cher with you.
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:49pm
Yeah that's what you should want for the BYU fanbase. Loyal season ticket
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:54pm
two GT wins were great as well.
Benfica1
3/13/18 2:49pm
Unfortunately, I am only allowed to thumbs down you once.
Freddie Cougar
3/13/18 2:55pm
You act like there are better options... hilarious
Pretorian
3/13/18 3:11pm
Honestly, i am a bball fan... I get it.... Second fiddle but the reality of
BYUheaven
3/13/18 4:26pm
Then shouldn't you feel the same about a TCU/Utahless MWC?
Lip Gallagher
3/13/18 6:07pm
Curious ... has utah's bowls been any better since they've been in the p12?
ManicBlue
3/13/18 3:17pm
I'll thumbs up you...the Indy experiment is failing; the WCC is good for
BlooCoog
3/13/18 4:23pm
You asked for a thumbs down... So I obliged
Adrielle
3/13/18 4:24pm
Reality check here people
Truerblue
3/13/18 4:41pm
Yet another reason not to go back there. We make significantly more money
CougarBacker
3/13/18 4:55pm
I get your frustration but your logic flies in the face of Notre Dame. What do they have to play for in down years?
Refugee
3/13/18 4:43pm
You can't compare ND. They have about 11NC, special final4, NY6 access, and play
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:16pm
I know, I know, I know. I can still compare them with THIS specific argument the OP has made.
Refugee
3/13/18 7:35pm
You wanted me to thumbs down you so i did.
Mark320
3/13/18 4:45pm
That is 1-13 against winning P5 teams. 💣
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:10pm
Yeah we should just give up
CougarBacker
3/13/18 5:15pm
112th ranked 90+ recruiting class, good recruits jumping to rival, WCC sucks.
blackshirts
3/13/18 7:54pm
I love how we've been independent for 7 years and you want to base our entire
CougarBacker
3/13/18 9:10pm
It's not just one season.
blackshirts
3/13/18 9:48pm
Not a single thing you listed has anything to do with Indy and everything to do
CougarBacker
3/13/18 9:55pm
We have only had one independent season with less than 8 wins. Only 1, IIRC, +70
IceCreamButt
3/13/18 10:17pm
Ding ding ding. We have perennially been decent as Indy with increased schedule
BYUButters
3/14/18 12:21am
the @Houston game may have been the most electric game I've ever been to
gmj81
3/13/18 5:12pm
I think a monitor added about 20 thumb downs. 😎
blackshirts
3/13/18 5:43pm
We need to also win the battle/game of Money.
stealth
3/13/18 5:45pm
I agree, but can't pass up an invite to thumbs down someone.
Ocho Cuatro
3/13/18 6:15pm
This man speaks truth. POTD
TheLoneCougar
3/13/18 6:51pm
I gave you a thumbs down just because you said I could....
BlueFever
3/13/18 7:39pm
Very grateful that you don't have a vote. It is likely that you go on a rant 2
Rocketman
3/13/18 7:44pm
What's memorable about the MWC?
icecougar
3/13/18 8:15pm
Beating utah in 2007 and 2009, being ranked in top 25, beating ucla and oregon
kolob32
3/13/18 8:33pm
Everything you just listed had nothing to do with the MWC and playing good teams
BYUButters
3/14/18 12:23am
The question was what was memorable about the mwc. I think I answered the questi
kolob32
3/14/18 10:41am
The MWC was memorable because we beat Utah/TCU. Not because we beat up the
BYUButters
3/14/18 11:20am
The whining is strong in this group.
Benfica1
3/13/18 8:29pm
If you are going to earn 66 thumbs downs, that's a good way to do it.
Cougarfan777
3/13/18 10:18pm
The truth is polarizing. The fantasy land that exist in the “MWC” with decrease
BYUButters
3/14/18 12:25am
Here's the thing though: Would going back to the MWC bring us back what
gwalker
3/14/18 11:19am
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