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Demosthenes Red
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Actually, everything you’ve said is inaccurate.
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BYU’s decline is a direct result of Utah joining the PAC-12
swaggy1090
2/25/18 7:45am
The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the PAC12
Richbyu
2/25/18 7:53am
How can you say this? Utah basketball has been a legit program in the PAC- football their mid level but get a pay check
SouthernBlueBlood
2/25/18 7:58am
Since joining the PAC12, Utah has gone to the NCAA Tourney 2 out of 7 years.
Richbyu
2/25/18 8:21am
They haven’t been the doormat of the PAC in basketball and if I recall they made a good run once or twice. I don’t
SouthernBlueBlood
2/25/18 8:27am
I said they have been "middling". (that's down from what they were in the MWC)
Richbyu
2/25/18 8:32am
Kind of an interesting point you bring up- who in G5 has been consistently good in the last 7 years?
SouthernBlueBlood
2/25/18 8:34am
In basketball? Wichita State. Some of the AAC teams have been pretty good.
Richbyu
2/25/18 8:38am
Good call-
SouthernBlueBlood
2/25/18 9:35am
Perhaps Butler also
Oldcougfan
2/25/18 10:31am
Butler has been in the new Big East for awhile now.
Ocho Cuatro
2/25/18 11:39am
The first several years were horrible in hoops, and would have been horrible in
Scratch
2/25/18 10:28am
He never said dormat. Reading comprehension fail.
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:47am
Their recruiting continues to improve even after a 7-6 year...they have been
Gathers
2/25/18 8:46am
So if Big 12 comes calling we should just reject our membership to them. After
Mark320
3/12/18 3:31pm
You might be right that Utah will never win the PAC 12
mpfunk
2/25/18 8:09am
They definitely had more success from 03-10 compared to 11-18
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 8:23am
It is not absurd. Utah goes to the NCAA tournament LESS. Is ranked LOWER in
Richbyu
2/25/18 8:24am
I get the envy. I have it. But I’d take Utah’s success in the PAC since they’ve joined. Fans seem to buy in as well
SouthernBlueBlood
2/25/18 8:29am
Envy? You are projecting... I haven't said anything that isn't accurate.
Richbyu
2/25/18 8:36am
they have been in the top 25 at some point of every football season it seems. top 10 several times
BlueFrog
2/25/18 8:52am
Football has finished ranked 3 out of 4 years. How often did that happen in the
Scratch
2/25/18 10:44am
So why does Utah always get the PAC12's lower regarded bowl games?
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:10am
Used to go to the Fiesta and Sugar?
Rise as Utes
2/25/18 1:02pm
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Little Britches
2/25/18 2:01pm
Remind me of BUY’s last bigtime bowl again?? Sorry old age and all..
DocUte
2/25/18 1:20pm
No worries I get the envy...
DocUte
2/25/18 12:44pm
Actually, everything you’ve said is inaccurate.
Demosthenes Red
2/25/18 3:29pm
You're confusing success, with more interesting conference mates.
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:51am
You’re cherry picking pre-P12 success. You’re also erroneously attributing
Scratch
2/25/18 11:59am
2014-2018 Utah trails only Oregon and Arizona in PAC12 conference wins
cav73
2/26/18 8:32am
Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12. Middling.
Richbyu
2/26/18 9:55am
On the verge of three NCAA tournament appearances in the last four years.
cav73
2/26/18 11:55am
Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12.
Richbyu
2/26/18 12:02pm
The hoops program would not have gone to the NCAA tournament from any
Scratch
2/25/18 10:38am
Honestly, we like where we are at. And it isn’t even close. It was fun smacking
DocUte
2/25/18 12:40pm
And yet your insecurity is showing as you frequent a BYU fan board.
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 10:59pm
I’m here because I truly enjoy the rivalry, and it is fun to run smack
DocUte
2/26/18 12:27am
I thought Colorado was your rival. Hmm.
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/26/18 1:05am
Got em.
DocUte
2/26/18 1:52am
RE: The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the
swaggy1090
2/25/18 8:59am
Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 9:05am
RE: Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.
swaggy1090
2/25/18 9:10am
I think it really comes down to what you want.
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 9:52am
So why was BYU not crushing Utah when they were in the same conference?
Scratch
2/25/18 10:48am
You’re cherry picking a 5 year span if you’re
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 12:17pm
Not for the 20-25 years before Utah joined the P12.
Scratch
2/25/18 12:23pm
19-12 from 1980 to 2010
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 3:19pm
I said 20-15 years. The 25 years before Utah joined the P12, BYU went 13-12
Scratch
2/25/18 3:32pm
Also to clarify, I was not stating that BYU would crush Utah but that
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 12:19pm
It would hurt Utah but not crush Utah. How many recruits would utah have lost to
Scratch
2/25/18 12:25pm
Which would drop Utah from a #6 or #7 pac team that goes 8-4 or 7-5
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 3:21pm
Ha. A couple of guys wouldn't make that much of a difference, especially now
Scratch
2/25/18 3:33pm
If only Ifs could become reality...
DocUte
2/25/18 12:41pm
Exactly, if you were one of the few counting the money there would be some
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 3:23pm
The benifit is being a part of a P5...
DocUte
2/25/18 3:43pm
You're Wrong. One BCS bowl was under Whit
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:52am
FYI, Urban coached the Fiesta, but not the Sugar. KW
Rise as Utes
2/25/18 1:08pm
Bahaha! Nice wishful thinking. After 1 full recruiting cycle Utah FB finished
BigBrotherUte
2/25/18 11:13am
A lot of Utes are apparently confused about what the word "middling" means.
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:35am
Being a middling P12 team is infinitely better than being a top-tier G5 team.
Scratch
2/25/18 11:43am
That’s an opinion I disagree with.
bluecougar1985
2/25/18 12:21pm
Great. Every P5 school and fan disagrees with you.
Scratch
2/25/18 12:26pm
By the way, why doesn’t BYU go back to the MWC where it was a top-tier team
Scratch
2/25/18 1:10pm
Lol, i like the teams you picked in the PAC for comparisons. Utah has split the
BigBrotherUte
2/25/18 1:47pm
They’ve finished ranked 3 of the last 4 years and have been ranked at some
Gathers
2/25/18 11:36am
Here is what the middle looks like:
Richbyu
2/25/18 12:05pm
Look at the last several years, that shows you what the P12 has done once
Scratch
2/25/18 12:22pm
Failure to read is why some Utes got lower ACT scores and were rejected by BYU
Richbyu
2/25/18 1:41pm
Ha, you’ve said utah has taken a step back, is achieving less, and accomplished
Scratch
2/25/18 2:47pm
You are easy fishing.. What other insecurities buttons should I try pushing to
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:33pm
So your goal was to act pompous and spout off nonsense to provoke a response?
Scratch
2/25/18 11:44pm
Aren't you the "Ute fan" that requests all of BYU's football contracts?
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:55pm
Can we agree on this. The middle of the PAC >>>> Upper tier MWC. The quality
ALUF 1990
2/25/18 12:52pm
You make a good point re cheating in basketball...
Richbyu
2/25/18 1:44pm
Good job. First accurate post you’ve made in this entire thread.
Demosthenes Red
2/25/18 3:43pm
This has been the easiest fishing I've done in a while. Ute insecurities buttons
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:29pm
We may find that Utah cheated too, after recent reports?
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:04pm
You mean the recent reports that had nothing whatsoever to do with Utah cheating
Scratch
2/25/18 11:35pm
Utah cheated. Paid Kuzma agent money.
Richbyu
2/25/18 11:57pm
Hey we are playing some ultimate weed frisbee this weekend...
DocUte
2/26/18 12:22am
Yeah but did they buy him a Jetta or take him to Disneyland a bunch of times?
cav73
2/26/18 9:08am
Utah is part of that FBI investigation because they cheated.
Richbyu
2/26/18 9:54am
Utah is not part of the FBI investigation (at least there is no evidence of Utah
Scratch
2/26/18 9:57am
Utah got caught cheating. The school is now tied up with the FBI investigation.
Richbyu
2/26/18 10:01am
Are you not terribly bright or are you a troll? Because it's one or the other.
Scratch
2/26/18 10:09am
You can excuse Utah's cheating, but the FBI won't!
Richbyu
2/26/18 10:21am
He’s a a troll, Scratch. He’s admitted as much. At least he’s honest about it.
Demosthenes Red
2/28/18 9:17pm
Some irony... A Ute fan on a BYU fan board upset that he is getting "trolled"
Richbyu
2/28/18 11:26pm
Definitely not upset about it. Just think its funny you're working at it so hard
Demosthenes Red
3/1/18 9:43am
"Working hard"? I spend 10 seconds responding...
Richbyu
3/1/18 10:40am
Stop, you're sounding all cool and rational. Don't make me start liking you! 🙂
Demosthenes Red
3/1/18 3:34pm
I'd buy you an ice cream cone right now!
Richbyu
3/2/18 5:18pm
Also, this place is inundated with Ute fans pretending to be BYU fans.
Richbyu
2/28/18 11:28pm
How can you say that "positive results are inevitable" when other PAC
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:03pm
How much hatorade you drink tonight Georgie? Was it SEVEN by chance 😃
DocUte
2/26/18 12:26am
Enjoy it while it lasts. What goes around, comes around.
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/26/18 1:07am
Lolzzz. Wish I could put money on this...
DocUte
2/25/18 12:36pm
That's just not accurate.
IronPotato
2/25/18 2:33pm
Uh, no.
Demosthenes Red
2/25/18 3:20pm
We've been very competitive and won a lot of games against very good teams
formerly utesplease
2/28/18 4:44am
You are looking at 2 NCAA tournament bids in 7 years.
Richbyu
2/28/18 7:57am
Or 3 in 4 years and 3 straight 1st rd draft picks. I like how you keep dodging
BigBrotherUte
2/28/18 6:14pm
I can also see why you're struggling to understand the PAC12 world vs the
BigBrotherUte
2/28/18 6:22pm
I'm not celebrating. That needs to be better and I've been critical of Larry's
formerly utesplease
3/1/18 1:01am
Larry has his own concerns now with the FBI.
Richbyu
3/1/18 7:36am
Not as much as the agent who paid kuz
formerly utesplease
3/4/18 7:02am
Larry is under investigation by the FBI for payments.
Richbyu
3/4/18 5:06pm
It must not have been enough considering Utah has come in 2nd for every
formerly utesplease
3/5/18 10:53pm
I think Utah has some real problems--never mess with the FBI
Richbyu
3/6/18 12:25pm
It isn't just Utah, it's the whole P5 system. It was designed to leave all
coolblue
2/25/18 8:02am
Yep. The moment that happened our fate was sealed. Out of our control
Croweater
2/25/18 8:28am
Except that we could be in the big 12
Josef K
2/25/18 9:16am
Except that we were never invited. We can't self-invite.
CougarThug
2/25/18 10:02am
You do not know this for certain
Adrielle
2/25/18 10:03am
That is a Mormon myth
Croweater
2/25/18 10:24am
Please name a few of these players.
golf1
2/25/18 9:12am
Covey, Nacua, Barton, Chase Hansen, Tuipai, Lotuleilei, Orchard, etc, etc
Jdoc
2/25/18 9:34am
Most of those are legacy Utes. Hansen went to be a QB. Nothing
golf1
2/25/18 4:00pm
I agree
Hoax
2/25/18 9:33am
I knew once I heard the news in 2010 and knowing that BYU was going Indy on 9/1
Mark320
2/25/18 9:49am
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RC Vikings
2/25/18 9:54am
I'd argue that if we stayed in the MWC we'd be in a lot worse shape. Indy is actually salvaging us, whatever
ocmyhome
2/25/18 10:16am
No one knows for certain...
TrueBlue67
2/25/18 10:19am
Or...it's the cyclical nature of athletics prevalent in virtually all programs
MormonThug
2/25/18 10:31am
Many many posts at the time said this. Indy was simply the next best option.
RealityCheck
2/25/18 10:40am
100% agree... And it's created more apathetic fans
germm
2/25/18 11:10am
RE: BYU’s decline is a direct result of Utah joining the PAC-12
rhatchmd
2/25/18 11:45am
Well, no doubt the P5 cartel $ / resources puts all non P5 at a significant
ZooBlue
2/25/18 12:17pm
It's too bad that the almighty $$ rules major college sports too. That's the way it is.
lightmann
2/25/18 1:13pm
So why don’t you cry about it? What is the purpose of the post?
Pretorian
2/25/18 2:37pm
And even then Utah can't sell their program without paying players
Y4LYFE
2/25/18 3:11pm
Similar to how the Cougs can’t sell their program without Ultimate Weed Frisbee
DocUte
2/25/18 6:54pm
Is it accurate that not much has changed with LDS mission kids, but that non-
sandiegocgrfan
2/25/18 3:12pm
Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why
bluebrotha
2/25/18 6:06pm
Wat??
DocUte
2/25/18 6:42pm
To answer your question Bro Blue...
DocUte
2/25/18 6:43pm
Yeah, Utah has never had a bad season. Thanks for settin that straight. Clueless
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:07pm
You’re welcome Georgie!
DocUte
2/26/18 12:18am
The anti-Mormon school with a Mormon HC and DC? And lots of other active LDS
Scratch
2/25/18 6:46pm
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bluebrotha
3/5/18 6:44pm
Wow, Whit, who is on the high council? Do you feel good attacking the integrity
Scratch
3/5/18 7:09pm
My goodness. You have no clue.
Jdoc
3/5/18 10:51pm
One final PS
DocUte
2/25/18 6:48pm
So you don't think that BYU has been snubbed by the
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:14pm
Is it real? Sure, there is some anti-Mormon sentiment there. Rampant? Not
Scratch
2/25/18 11:42pm
You’re logic is spot on.
DocUte
2/26/18 12:21am
I'm taking specifically Mormon. You know very well
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/26/18 1:14am
Once again...
DocUte
2/26/18 2:11am
And TCU recieved the P5 invite around the same time we did so unless things
DocUte
2/26/18 2:12am
So the funny thing is you are trying to be sarcastic but are more right than you
Mr Blue
2/26/18 7:19am
The same Baylor that the PAC was so scared of being lumped in with the other
crack
2/26/18 11:08am
Are you aware that around half of Utah’s student body
Jdoc
2/25/18 6:51pm
I’m aware LDS kids go to every school nationally. But most don’t sit next to
bluebrotha
3/5/18 6:50pm
RE: Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why
swaggy1090
2/25/18 8:57pm
Yet we beat Utah in basketball this season and have won
SaintGeorgeYFan
2/25/18 11:05pm
Enjoy the highlight of your basketball season.
DocUte
2/26/18 12:24am
LDS players have chosen BYU over other “better” teams for decades now.
bluebrotha
3/5/18 6:46pm
Yep. And they have also done the opposite. The point is there are lots of valid
Scratch
3/5/18 7:12pm
It's an interesting hypothetical: what if BYU had remained in the MWC?
boscatar
2/26/18 10:19am
The difference between the MWC and Indy is that we have many
BYUButters
3/1/18 12:36am
I can never buy into this argument. I think it’s a small part of many
Traveshamockery
2/26/18 11:36am
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