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Sep 23, 2017
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Josef K
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SI once called us the most hated team in CFB. That takes some national cred.
that said, I agree that a lot of our fan base has an inflated view of our current stature in the CFB landscape
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The great lie we tell ourselves.
OhioCougFan
9/23/17 8:03am
Those are some weird views not shared by most BYU and non-BYU fans
DirtyWater
9/23/17 8:08am
But...shared by the board crazies... so there's that.
Cougarpolis
9/23/17 8:12am
Especially interesting that a fan from Ohio....
Greg Kite's 'stache
9/23/17 8:12am
Logical. But wrong.
OhioCougFan
9/23/17 8:20am
The point still holds
Greg Kite's 'stache
9/23/17 8:33am
RE: The point still holds
OandGCoug
9/23/17 9:11am
Not what I have seen...
Trent
9/23/17 10:58am
I know you're trying to use the fact that you had never heard of BYU to help
WhiteAndBlue
9/23/17 10:59am
Even if you have a point about inflated import, it's called being fans,
soupie
9/23/17 8:12am
We can get back to being a Top 25 program. We're probably Top 50 now
Ulysses14
9/23/17 8:17am
Byu can be a top 25 program using a G5 schedule.
cougfanz
9/23/17 8:26am
This is the correct answer ^
mm73
9/23/17 10:18am
BYU can get ranked in the top-25. It's not even close to the same thing
Dissenter
9/23/17 12:25pm
This is pretty much spot on.
cambo
9/23/17 8:17am
"never were?"
Downtown
9/23/17 8:23am
It's a bubble reality. BYU has been the biggest and best in Utah for a long time
DoseOfReality
9/23/17 9:30am
Posts like these are so refreshing.
KeithSweat
9/23/17 10:14am
So why do people want to go back to crushing weak schools? Forward not back.
Cougarpolis
9/23/17 5:28pm
Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out.
mm73
9/23/17 6:29pm
So you want a top 25 ranking, not a top 25 team. Got it....oh, and no thanks.
Cougarpolis
9/23/17 7:11pm
What do you believe is a rational expectation?
Cougstreak
9/23/17 8:52pm
Oh, so you're going to hypothesize that we actually in a P5 conference now?
Cougarpolis
9/24/17 2:25am
BYU cannot become TCU year in and year out.
Cougstreak
9/26/17 11:25pm
"Because BYU can't compete with the P5 week in and week out."
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:26pm
We did against bad P5 teams.
Cougstreak
9/23/17 11:38pm
Oh. My. Hardly a P5 schedule?
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:49pm
Real P5 teams never play bad P5 teams. It's in their contract.
Cougarpolis
9/24/17 2:27am
Again, this was missing top of a P5 schedule.
Cougstreak
9/24/17 3:58pm
You're reaching man. That's a quality schedule and we had a solid year.
Cougarpolis
9/24/17 4:49pm
Didn't say it was not good for us but (again) top
Cougstreak
9/24/17 6:25pm
I guess you're making some point that isn't directly at odds with mine
MarylandFan
9/24/17 9:17pm
I meant our schedule has not had teams from the top of the P5 conferences and...
Cougstreak
9/25/17 1:15am
Ok. Nobody was making that claim, but great.
Cougarpolis
9/25/17 6:43am
Yes it was. It was stated we have had a P5 schedule. We don't have the top tier
Cougstreak
9/25/17 8:02am
would you accept "schedule full of P5 teams"? Not sure what your issue is.
Cougarpolis
9/25/17 8:35am
No issue. Simply stating that those who believe we have a P5 schedule....
Cougstreak
9/25/17 9:55am
Would you agree that we have a schedule with several P5 teams on it each year?
Cougarpolis
9/25/17 10:12am
Yes we play several P5 teams each year
Cougstreak
9/25/17 10:34am
I assume you mean that last year, while full of P5...
MarylandFan
9/25/17 11:11am
My point is I am not ready to pound my chest by beating bad P5 teams.
Cougstreak
9/25/17 11:40am
Some people seem to think these are P5 equivalent schedules, they are far short.
DoseOfReality
9/25/17 11:31am
I don't think anybody thinks that. Can you prove this? Post a link perhaps?
Cougarpolis
9/25/17 12:35pm
Read CB much? Read above.
Cougstreak
9/25/17 10:07pm
Will you please point out the post that says we have a P5 schedule. Don't see it
Cougarpolis
9/26/17 9:15am
Oh, wait I think I found the one you must be talking about, I guess
Cougarpolis
9/26/17 9:22am
One of several posted in the past. Having a P5 schedule infers...
Cougstreak
9/26/17 6:20pm
It's kind of sad when you can't interpret that people are happy to have 6 P5
Cougarpolis
9/26/17 10:55pm
Huh? Thin skinned?
Cougstreak
9/26/17 11:15pm
Did you enjoy your Ute’s win last night?
PortlandBlue
9/23/17 8:25am
I despise Utah football with the burning of 10,000 suns. But I’m also a
OhioCougFan
9/23/17 8:28am
"realist?" Just guessing how you were going to finish.
DirtyWater
9/23/17 8:31am
We aren't Alabama, but we're more respected than NCState or Vandy or Wazzu
SD-Y-FAN
9/23/17 8:26am
You view is not consistent with my experience outside this region.
BYUtka
9/23/17 8:29am
Besides Disneyland over UEA, you haven’t been outside the region
BlueFrog
9/23/17 8:58am
What about the western regional Boy Scout jamboree in Idaho falls?
Sandy Lyle
9/23/17 8:24pm
Then why did espn sign us to a TV deal?
BYURider
9/23/17 8:29am
Because there are Mormons around the globe that watch.
IronPotato
9/23/17 8:34am
Also because we attract more fans than G5 teams and willing to play at of times.
Cougstreak
9/23/17 9:37am
I couldn’t tell you who won the MWC, the AAC, MAC, Sun Belt etc last year
billyrust
9/23/17 8:31am
I can't tell you who won a P5 conference title for that matter. But I know who
Cougarpolis
9/23/17 8:33am
RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.
kotacoug
9/23/17 8:31am
*you tell yourself
Real Men Wear Blue
9/23/17 8:34am
Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.
IronPotato
9/23/17 8:34am
RE: Agreed. I think we think we're a bigger deal than we are.
phatcougar
9/23/17 8:41am
Lol!
IronPotato
9/23/17 11:49am
I think most BYU fans would agree with you. Hopefully powers to be will come
cowhide
9/23/17 8:43am
Neither was Clemson until recently and they had a title too.
Turnpike Lane
9/23/17 8:44am
SI once called us the most hated team in CFB. That takes some national cred.
Josef K
9/23/17 8:46am
Was that 25 or 30 years ago?
Cougstreak
9/23/17 10:49am
25 years ago, to answer my own question.
Cougstreak
9/23/17 11:12am
You're right, we don't have a national brand. It's worldwide.
Seasider
9/23/17 8:48am
Can we stop acting like ESPN wouldn't offer
Ozette
9/23/17 9:23am
Well said!
cowhide
9/23/17 9:26am
If we're so popular why, after seven years as an independent trying to get
cowhide
9/23/17 9:31am
Religion. That is the start and end of it. Anyone arguing anything different is
BYUtka
9/23/17 9:32am
So no one would take ND in a P5 conference?
Cougstreak
9/23/17 9:43am
Different religion
phatcougar
9/23/17 10:02am
OUR religion.
BlueNtheFace
9/23/17 10:12am
We are not the only religion targeted.
Cougstreak
9/23/17 10:48am
I wish the world was this black and white. However, it's far more complicated.
Ktar
9/23/17 9:54am
Is there such a thing as Worst Post of the Day? I'd like to nominate this one,
chilango
9/23/17 8:56am
It's a well thought out and realistic post from a fan who doesn't live inside
mm73
9/23/17 10:26am
ESPN/ABC sure love running a Utah 80s has been on TV!
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:39pm
Chilango: I have a love/hate relationship w your post. Love the worst post idea.
Blue streak
9/23/17 11:04am
Thank you Blue Streak. I was going to be a little more rude in my comments to
cowhide
9/23/17 11:21am
I nominate your response post. His wasn't that bad.
JmThms
9/23/17 11:51am
So many words to say so little.
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:45pm
Hey Chilango, I agree with you!
JmThms
9/23/17 11:28am
Amen.
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:29pm
We suck now, but you're 100% wrong about BYU's national name
TeeKaa
9/23/17 9:04am
RE: The great lie we tell ourselves.
jkccoug
9/23/17 9:04am
He's right about Ohio sentiment, I've seen their newspapers focus on local HS
Albuq_Coug
9/23/17 9:18am
I think OP proves the myopic nature of Ohio fans more than BYU's place in sports
BYUtka
9/23/17 9:38am
bad timing--we're not even competitive right now. Not very long ago we
Incentivize
9/23/17 9:28am
2009. So this is your first rodeo.
Big Daddy D
9/23/17 9:35am
Seriously, right?
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:51pm
Wow a rational BYU fan! 🏆🏆🏆🏆
blackshirts
9/23/17 9:42am
I'm so sad that our team didn't get 1 play across the goal line last year
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:54pm
I for one am glad BYU takes some risk and aims high for its football program
ThickBlueHaze
9/23/17 9:52am
Nailed, on the head!
Sooner Cougar
9/23/17 9:53am
I nominate this Post Of The Year.
KeithSweat
9/23/17 10:11am
Says the poster who joined CB on Sep. 8 of 2017
Greg Kite's 'stache
9/23/17 10:21am
Who cares when I joined, you big dummy!
KeithSweat
9/23/17 10:58am
<< Deleted >>
cowhide
9/23/17 11:36am
Sad, but true
Cougtruth
9/23/17 10:16am
I feel like you've all successfully dismantled a straw man centered around 1984
MarylandFan
9/23/17 11:58pm
What is relevant regarding national profile
DJROSS
9/23/17 10:23am
RE: What is relevant regarding national profile
Cougtruth
9/23/17 11:24am
Blah blah blah blah blah no relevance blah blah blah emotion blah blah blah
DJROSS
9/23/17 11:50am
Don't bother him with facts. Hyperbole is the currency of the day.
Real Men Wear Blue
9/23/17 12:34pm
The one statement from his post is this one...
cambo
9/23/17 12:59pm
You are using colloquialistic terms and creating an arbitrary line
DJROSS
9/23/17 1:52pm
Yes it's based on winning
cambo
9/23/17 4:47pm
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cambo
9/23/17 5:54pm
All programs gain a reputation over time. If we are good enough, we can too.
BYUniverse
9/23/17 10:29am
Terrible excuse for advocating return to MWC
JmThms
9/23/17 10:39am
Regardless of fanbase, facilities, etc, Boise St has been way more successful
Ktar
9/23/17 11:02am
Yes but mostly irrelevant. National profile/relevancy/value has much more to do
JmThms
9/23/17 11:24am
Florida State you mean? Pre Bobby Bowden..FSU was regional...Then they won..
CarolinaCoug
9/23/17 10:52am
I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the college
HootnHoller
9/23/17 11:15am
RE: I can buy into the notion that we fans overestimate our position in the
Cougtruth
9/23/17 11:32am
...because we aren't currently good. We received votes pre-season.
BYUniverse
9/23/17 11:41am
Of course, if we deserve it
Cougtruth
9/23/17 11:55am
First question, what conversation? Second question, can you link to examples of
WhiteAndBlue
9/23/17 12:24pm
Preseason rankings
Cougtruth
9/23/17 12:02pm
Yes. But what I'm pointing out is that some voters obviously thought
BYUniverse
9/26/17 9:20am
We have to win whether independent or in conference. I'm not excited by playing
HootnHoller
9/23/17 11:50am
BYU was a legitimate national power from 1979 to 1985.
eddog
9/23/17 1:08pm
And we were in a mid level, WAC, conference at the time too. I think it really
cowhide
9/23/17 1:12pm
Or independent..Miami built a rep in crappy big east
CarolinaCoug
9/23/17 1:33pm
Chicken or egg argument.
Cougstreak
9/23/17 1:37pm
Fair enough.
OhioCougFan
9/23/17 1:17pm
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jkccoug
9/23/17 1:23pm
Posts like these are every bit as delusional as ones that say we're an elite program (although you see almost none of
CalGTR
9/23/17 2:32pm
I've come to grips with a certain % of our fans sucking.
Thrill
9/23/17 7:47pm
Take it up with the Board of Trustees, who do not share your views.
Sandstone Cougar
9/23/17 8:07pm
Sorry people POTY
Swishfromdeep3
9/24/17 10:09pm
This thread has clearly exposed a chasm in the fan base
MarylandFan
9/24/17 11:38pm
No, I was on the bandwagon the last three or four years to be in a conference.
cowhide
9/25/17 11:06am
hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as you
DJROSS
9/25/17 11:44am
RE: hmmm does realism mean we abandon the team, abandon goals or do we just as
Cougarpolis
9/26/17 9:33am
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