Net neutrality is a move to deal with things as they are, not as they putatively

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Sep 20, 2017
3:53:52pm

russkiejedi All-American

Net neutrality is a move to deal with things as they are, not as they putatively

should be. While it's possible that a truly free market in internet would function just fine without something like Net Neutrality (which I think is highly debatable, at least in rural areas), Net Neutrality is needed to address the way things are currently.

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For all you competition will fix everything with no net neutrality guys, if one

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:19am

How are they being blocked?

Indy Coug

9/20/17 10:21am

Generally utilities need approval to use the easements from either a PUD

jkccoug

9/20/17 10:23am

So isn't that what we should focus on instead of "net neutrality"?

cheezedawg

9/20/17 10:58am

Depends on the problem you're trying to solve.

jkccoug

9/20/17 1:42pm

And I think ISPs should absolutely be able to allow or ban whatever they want as

cheezedawg

9/20/17 2:17pm

Disagree. Too many people only have two choices.

jkccoug

9/20/17 2:35pm

Which brings me back to 3 posts up- the underlying problem that we should seek

cheezedawg

9/20/17 3:45pm

We could do that. But that kind of thing is so localized that the

jkccoug

9/20/17 3:50pm

Net neutrality is a move to deal with things as they are, not as they putatively

russkiejedi

9/20/17 3:53pm

Why hasn't it been needed in the past?

BertoChavez

9/20/17 4:04pm

Because major ISPs weren't hemmoraghing customers in their cable business and

russkiejedi

9/20/17 4:08pm

And yet the only cases I have heard about ISPs doing something dumb like

cheezedawg

9/20/17 4:42pm

In large part due to the FCC giving them a stern look. They didn't stop due to

DapperDan

9/20/17 5:35pm

Revisionist history at its finest.

BertoChavez

9/20/17 6:27pm

You think it's Comcast working alone that's blocking Google Fiber?

SandYFan

9/20/17 10:22am

They're working with the government to stop them

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:26am

Oh hey so without the government they couldn't do anything.

SandYFan

9/20/17 10:27am

I'm confused. Nowhere in his OP did he say "Comcast working alone" was blocking

benny1982

9/20/17 10:37am

The government getting out of this is what gives more competition.

BertoChavez

9/20/17 11:11am

Federal, state, and local government all play different roles. You have to get

TaiJuan

9/20/17 11:14am

So the government should now get out of things after they've fronted gobs of

russkiejedi

9/20/17 11:15am

Yes. And stop putting down gobs of money that benefit only one corporation.

BertoChavez

9/20/17 11:16am

By giving the existing ISPs a leg up and then completely stepping away, they'd

benny1982

9/20/17 11:18am

Not really. The government has ALWAYS been involved in the Internet.

benny1982

9/20/17 11:16am

The government is neck deep in this already. Wishing they'd get out is not going

DapperDan

9/20/17 11:18am

Wishing? No. Making it happen? Yes.

BertoChavez

9/20/17 11:18am

Unless you're Donald Trump you're wishing

DapperDan

9/20/17 11:20am

What's the deregulation strategy? Killing net neutrality doesn't even move you

russkiejedi

9/20/17 11:23am

Google actually has already recognized that burying fiber is a losing propositio

rcbyufan

9/20/17 10:24am

In large part because of these issues.

Baron

9/20/17 10:26am

Technology issues or legal issues?

jkccoug

9/20/17 10:28am

Legal, the tech isn't a problem. Fiber is as good as it gets

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:35am

That's what I thought.

jkccoug

9/20/17 10:36am

It is considerably more complex than just easements and "legal issues"

cheezedawg

9/20/17 10:51am

But those issues didn't cause them to stop competing. They are still expanding

Skeptical Optimist

9/20/17 10:28am

They did stop competing and had to do something very different.

Baron

9/20/17 10:30am

only if you live in an apartment building with 10 units or more. Which then

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:33am

They think that if they bury fiber something better than near speed of light

jkccoug

9/20/17 10:26am

Fiber is extremely costly to implement. I think they want to move to towers.

Twin Roots

9/20/17 10:46am

It is costly but you won't get GB speeds over wireless

jkccoug

9/20/17 1:44pm

Google is still competing. They bought Webpass and are expanding in many new

Skeptical Optimist

9/20/17 10:25am

Like it says in that article, they went wireless because they were being

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:31am

It's a strategy shift for sure, and that is no doubt because of roadblocks from

Skeptical Optimist

9/20/17 10:53am

That's a low hanging fruit for Google. The future is not in laying cable. Google has purchased several technologies

Rhino84

9/20/17 11:13am

The internet will always run on wires. Places that don't need or want

DapperDan

9/20/17 11:20am

That's what I said when I got my first cell phone. Yes, POPs and Data centers will certainly be wired. I wouldn't

Rhino84

9/20/17 11:31am

Burying cable is expensive, but continues to be the most reliable.

benny1982

9/20/17 11:28am

Over-regulation is the underlying illness. More regulation masks some symptoms but shores up the status quo even more.

el capitan

9/20/17 10:39am

What current regulations are causing the problem?

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:40am

Tons. Your premise kind of implies it.

el capitan

9/20/17 11:57am

Surely you can name a handful or two

DapperDan

9/20/17 12:02pm

RE: Surely you can name a handful or two

el capitan

9/20/17 1:04pm

Searching for "Google Fiber" and posting the first two links you found was a

DapperDan

9/20/17 1:13pm

Meh, it's all I needed. Proves my point.

el capitan

9/20/17 1:31pm

None of them address your point

DapperDan

9/20/17 1:37pm

Why not let it play out first? If no net neutrality is a disaster then it should

rcbyufan

9/20/17 10:41am

Inertia

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:47am

Collective action/public good problems will predictably keep the outcry from

jkccoug

9/20/17 2:53pm

Aren't you are assuming that government regulation doesn't eventually respond

Pasadena

9/20/17 10:47am

So you think competition can fix the problem? If competition is being impeded

Coach's Dad

9/20/17 10:50am

You wouldn't like the fix because it's a step further down the road from

DapperDan

9/20/17 10:58am

IMO that isn't the only available fix. The local tactics that Comcast is using

Coach's Dad

9/20/17 11:16am

It's the most effective and best fix.

DapperDan

9/20/17 11:21am

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9/20/17 10:58am

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