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Sep 30, 2016
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silentvelcro
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What's to debate...apples aren't oranges. 2 different games.
Besides, trying to convince people to like soccer is a waste of time.
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POLL: Does 'Offsides' ruin soccer?
BYUtka
9/30/16 7:18am
Soccer ruins soccer.
LeftOfNormal
9/30/16 7:19am
And you ruin yourself.....
JmThms
9/30/16 9:15am
You try to defend soccer by tearing down another sport.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 9:21am
only when fans of other sports take shots at soccer
JmThms
9/30/16 9:26am
Right. and I actually may like these other sports...
JmThms
9/30/16 9:29am
This was exactly what went through my mind when I saw the post haha!
LumberCoug
9/30/16 9:36am
baseball sucks
JmThms
9/30/16 11:27am
Probably the worst rule in sports besides "intent to deceive"
Revolution
9/30/16 7:26am
No, does it ruin football, hockey, rugby???
silentvelcro
9/30/16 7:32am
It would in hockey if the offsides line was based on defensive positioning
Busiturtle
9/30/16 7:37am
Very different.
BYUtka
9/30/16 7:56am
Offsides in Football and rugby aren't even close to comparable
CougarBacker
9/30/16 8:35am
Other than they are a rule of the game.....yep
silentvelcro
9/30/16 8:47am
So do you really want to debate this or are you just interested in debating wording?
CougarBacker
9/30/16 9:01am
What's to debate...apples aren't oranges. 2 different games.
silentvelcro
9/30/16 9:08am
So you admit that the offsides penalty in football isn't a good comparison to the offside penalty in soccer then?
CougarBacker
9/30/16 9:31am
They are rules of each game that limit both sides of ball. Doesn't ruin either
silentvelcro
9/30/16 9:38am
Um you do realize of course that if the offside penalty didn't exist in football, you
CougarBacker
9/30/16 9:46am
Wow....really. A discussion about cherry picking and you don't see a WR
silentvelcro
9/30/16 9:50am
You don't sound very smart and likely a waste of my time. You keep changing the point of the discussion..
CougarBacker
9/30/16 10:10am
Here's the analogy for football to soccer.
SpiffCoug
9/30/16 1:58pm
I understand the rules. And since there are plenty of people who enjoy soccer, I guess you
CougarBacker
9/30/16 2:56pm
The current implementation of offsides hurts the game
Busiturtle
9/30/16 7:35am
I like your analogy above about defensive positioning. I just don't understand
Bert609
9/30/16 7:45am
Your description makes me laugh. 😀
StalwartBraveTrue
9/30/16 9:52am
Fair enough. And I don't usually mind slow/low scoring games, I'd rather see
Bert609
9/30/16 10:44am
Purists say that without the rule defenses would have to be more conservative
Busiturtle
9/30/16 7:48am
They simply don't understand the game well enough to see that.
BYUtka
9/30/16 7:54am
Regardless of short or long play, it's timing.
silentvelcro
9/30/16 7:56am
All I see HS teams doing is the "lob session" strategy
Busiturtle
9/30/16 7:58am
Then learn skill...anyone can lob. That's the point!
silentvelcro
9/30/16 7:59am
Based on the lack of scoring I see with the pros
Busiturtle
9/30/16 8:03am
This basic strategy is the backbone of all HS sports. Basketball, Football, etc.
Nathanael Greene
9/30/16 8:03am
I bet purists thought the same about the forward pass in football.
BYUtka
9/30/16 8:03am
The difference between football and soccer is that when you get tackled in
rggee
9/30/16 8:17am
You are correct, soccer's problems are not fixable
wapiti
9/30/16 8:31am
Not really anyone thinks that soccer has problems,
RSLCoug
9/30/16 8:49am
I like RSLCoug, but.......
JmThms
9/30/16 9:25am
Problems I think need to be fixed:
RSLCoug
9/30/16 9:33am
At one point FIFA talked about a white card for these instances
silentvelcro
9/30/16 9:42am
Interesting, and I may not be opposed to it.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 9:43am
My problem fixes are much deeper......
JmThms
9/30/16 11:25am
They already have this. It's called arena soccer... check it out
hadmonster
9/30/16 1:52pm
I've played and watched INDOOR soccer for 30 years.
JmThms
9/30/16 2:10pm
Soccer's problems are VERY fixable. But FIFA won't fix it.
JmThms
9/30/16 9:19am
There's nothing stopping soccer teams from playing that way now
boyblue
9/30/16 9:30am
Many already do. It doesn't make for more offensive chances.
Nathanael Greene
9/30/16 9:45am
Then this reason shouldn't be used as a reason to keep offside
boyblue
9/30/16 10:29am
Why? Everyone hates when teams play this way.
Nathanael Greene
9/30/16 10:52am
Because the rule doesn't actually stop it.
boyblue
10/2/16 10:43am
THIS!! I can see some sort of rule but it's current implementation ruins the
SoutheastIdaCoug
9/30/16 9:33am
I don't mind offsides, but it shouldn't be called once the ball proceeds legally
BigD Coug
9/30/16 7:42am
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cvd6262
9/30/16 8:34am
Most sports could be improved by being more like hockey.
douglasturtle
9/30/16 9:52am
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cvd6262
9/30/16 10:01am
I can't see the puck and the armored goalie covers the entire goal mouth....
JmThms
9/30/16 2:16pm
this guy gets it
Thundergun Express
9/30/16 10:20am
yes! but 7 field players on a shorter field
JmThms
9/30/16 2:22pm
Not to be picky ,but it's offside. Offsides is football
scottm
9/30/16 7:46am
^purist.
Bert609
9/30/16 7:53am
Pretty sure it's "offside" in both games, actually.
rggee
9/30/16 7:54am
I think that refs do being overly cautious in calling it.
Thrill
9/30/16 7:58am
Last night was a prime example of it killing the game over and over.
BYUtka
9/30/16 8:08am
No. I wouldn't mind if they changed it so that:
RSLCoug
9/30/16 8:56am
No. Without offsides, the game devolves to defenders playing further back to
chilango
9/30/16 8:01am
Defenders playing further back opens more space for the offense to attack
Busiturtle
9/30/16 8:04am
You sound like you base this off HS, college, and MLS.
silentvelcro
9/30/16 8:09am
But if leaving defenders back really is a better defense, why not do it now
boyblue
9/30/16 9:35am
A high defense adds to the attack allowing quick back pass to reset / flip field
silentvelcro
9/30/16 10:31am
This is not what happened when this was tested previously.
chilango
9/30/16 8:10am
Ok, but not score.
rggee
9/30/16 8:14am
No it doesn't. It is the exact opposite. Sheesh.
YSMACK
9/30/16 8:21am
It would open space in the MIDFIELD.
Wadds
9/30/16 2:22pm
No, referees calling offsides ruins soccer
TheDeek
9/30/16 8:24am
They really need 2 refs on the field.
SportsRoad
9/30/16 9:04am
Usually they have 3 or 4. The Referee and two ARs. The ARs are typically the
Big Wally D
9/30/16 9:10am
i know, i just mean in general, not for offside.
SportsRoad
9/30/16 9:41am
Gotcha. Most soccer referees I know do not favor a two Referee system.
Big Wally D
9/30/16 9:56am
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cvd6262
9/30/16 10:05am
Maybe. In soccer two referees has been tried at various stages especially in
Big Wally D
9/30/16 10:12am
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cvd6262
9/30/16 10:53am
Oh good, another one of these. It had been a while.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 8:41am
"We should play 12 strike kick ball!"
silentvelcro
9/30/16 8:43am
Here's the best solution.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 8:55am
Based on many peoples comments I think they are expecting a participation medal
silentvelcro
9/30/16 9:09am
For me, soccer's flaws are not fatal even though they are substantial
JmThms
9/30/16 9:32am
That's like asking if "alcohol kills vodka" or if "cold kills ice cream"
StalwartBraveTrue
9/30/16 9:45am
RE: That's like asking if "alcohol kills vodka" or if "cold kills ice cream"
RSLCoug
9/30/16 10:00am
Yes
jazzfan12000
9/30/16 10:10am
Imagine in basketball
RSLCoug
9/30/16 10:11am
Just another reason soccer sucks. If you choose to keep 4 guys back than that's on you.
CougarBacker
9/30/16 10:17am
You didn't understand my analogy.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 11:28am
What I'm saying is that this isn't true in basketball. You can keep 4 guys back all game long in basketball
CougarBacker
9/30/16 12:15pm
A more appropriate analogy to basketball would be allowing goaltending.
rggee
9/30/16 12:20pm
How would you goal tend soccer? Let everyone use their hands?
CougarBacker
9/30/16 2:57pm
Of course it isn't true in basketball.
RSLCoug
9/30/16 12:22pm
Im not a big soccer guy but I believe you. How about widening the net?
CougarBacker
9/30/16 2:59pm
Let's pull back the drapes a little bit. Why do you hate soccer so much?
byuTX
9/30/16 12:33pm
I don't.
BYUtka
9/30/16 12:34pm
No one who actually watches soccer would suggest this.
Francisco d'Anconia
10/1/16 12:58am
That is because anyone smart enough to understand gets annoyed trying to watch
BYUtka
10/2/16 10:53am
The defense HAS to sit back because cherrypicking. I've played soccer leagues
Francisco d'Anconia
10/2/16 3:31pm
Sounds like it was a much more entertaing game.
BYUtka
10/2/16 3:34pm
I hate the "trap"
Cougarpride
10/1/16 5:02pm
Anyone who has ever played a defensive position on a soccer team has a love-hate
supertux
10/2/16 10:24am
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