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Jul 28, 2016
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shimmy
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Again, you know the rape defense has been around for ages for the sex right?
now you just get amnesty for drugs or alcohol or whatever else.
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My issue with "amnesty" is that at some point there WILL be someone who tries to
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:28pm
The rape defense has been around for ages. No system is going to be perfect
shimmy
7/28/16 10:31pm
Should be, but aren't. Noone wants to even LOOK like they're going after victims
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:34pm
The question is: Is your scenario either more frequent or more damaging than the one where an actual rape victim keeps
Nikomedes
7/28/16 10:37pm
Based on what evidence?
boogers
7/28/16 10:38pm
Also fair, but there's got to be a way where a false accusation can't be used as
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:44pm
You have to provide double amnesty, pending a criminal investigation. The
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:47pm
But again, at that point, who CARES what the HC will and won't be investigating
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:56pm
Bottom line for me is that if you're a dude, you should assume any physical
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:41pm
Or...make sure its on video.
boogers
7/28/16 10:41pm
Not the worst idea, honestly.
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:44pm
That is nice in theory, but not very effective
g$
7/29/16 2:02am
Again, you know the rape defense has been around for ages for the sex right?
shimmy
7/28/16 10:41pm
This changes incentives in a major way. There's no downside to a false report.
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:52pm
A false rape accusation is not a little fudge. It does change the incentive,
Baron
7/28/16 11:00pm
If you can tell the HCO one thing and the cops another you can have you cake and
TaiJuan
7/28/16 11:30pm
There's just not a good answer. "False accusations should be prosecuted to the
Cougarrrs
7/28/16 10:43pm
Would he get kicked out of UVU? I doubt it
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:33pm
Maybe he is, maybe not. Maybe he drops out to work to pay for his lawyer.
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:37pm
Wait now she is making false reports to the police not just to the HCO?
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:40pm
Yes, I assumed that was clear. One doesn't typically go to the HCO to report a
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:52pm
Your scenario was that the HCO came to the student with a complaint from the
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:57pm
Apologies. I should have clarified. I figured it was assumed that if one levies
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 11:00pm
Can you honestly offer amnesty to someone who is good enough to tell the HCO it
TaiJuan
7/28/16 11:01pm
Which is why it's ludicrous that the office is even investigating kissing
titlecoug
7/28/16 10:33pm
I agree, but who knows WHAT the well-meaning roommate said. All the girl knows
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:39pm
The HC enforcement is the root of the problem. Amensty will just make women
boogers
7/28/16 10:39pm
I support amnesty in principle, but it's gonna be a clusteryewt for dudes down
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:43pm
Do you think it will actually increase false reporting?
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:45pm
Absolutely.
boogers
7/28/16 10:46pm
i don't see how the incentive is significantly increased.
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:48pm
Yes. You can't say that granting amnesty won't change incentives, and that's
TaiJuan
7/28/16 10:48pm
How much do you think they increase? How much will actual rape reporting
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:51pm
First, how many rapes are NOT reported.
boogers
7/28/16 10:55pm
I would say more than are falsely reported
concolor couguar
7/28/16 10:58pm
But that's in a system that doesn't provide the same incentives for falsificatn
TaiJuan
7/28/16 11:04pm
There I agree with you. This would be much simpler if the HCO's enforcement were severely curtailed
Nikomedes
7/28/16 10:55pm
Once again, amensty is not the issue in this scenario. It is the honor code
Baron
7/28/16 10:36pm
So the HC now prohibits kissing? How quaint
CougarThug
7/28/16 10:39pm
Again, that's fair, but it's the situation people could be put in, until the HC
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:43pm
It is a situation that always existed. You could always lie to put the blame on
Baron
7/28/16 10:46pm
HC is the problem
dixieutahbyuzag
7/29/16 12:31am
Such a weird thing to worry about. Seriously.
Blueto
7/28/16 10:42pm
A dim view of very few, actually, but that few scare the yewt out of me.
LeftOfNormal
7/28/16 10:58pm
If you'd been through what someone close to me has been through wrt false
NewMexiCoug
7/29/16 5:49am
It already happens now, and may be slightly more likely after, but the benefits still outweigh
byuTX
7/29/16 5:55am
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