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May 4, 2016
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jbonita
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I am trying to understand. You the HC plus its investigation policy makes one mo
re likely to be sexually assaulted than at a university without an honor code?
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If this tweet holds any validity then
Triggerhappybunny
5/3/16 3:49pm
We're out then, but isn't Baylor going through a whole sexual assault issue
Texas Hammer
5/3/16 3:50pm
Yes, as well as Kansas State I believe.
Triggerhappybunny
5/3/16 3:52pm
Which may be why they don't add another school with the same issues.
Eddie
5/3/16 5:48pm
Ever conference has various members involved in Title IX disputes
Gustav
5/3/16 5:57pm
And yet, only 1 school was on the cover of CNN.com this past week.
Eddie
5/3/16 6:01pm
There was also that minor issue of a bball player that murdered another player.
Walter Bellhaven
5/3/16 9:13pm
ooooh geez. nit picking a little aren't we.
Y2k
5/3/16 9:30pm
Get rid of the Honor Code Office. It has outlived its usefulness and is only
SoCalCoug
5/3/16 3:51pm
Oh brother.
LaVellIfIKnow
5/3/16 4:00pm
Wrong
AzCoug1
5/3/16 4:23pm
Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an
Kerbouchard
5/3/16 6:42pm
RE: Absolutely RIGHT. It's supposed to be an "honor" code. Why do we need an
Bullrider
5/3/16 8:13pm
West Point has an honor code...and an honor board(i.e., office). If you really
sah22
5/3/16 9:30pm
100% agree. The Honor Code and BYU's culture is keeping sexual assault at an una
jbonita
5/3/16 4:23pm
The HC stopped being useful when it was no longer about 'honor' but about
macdizzle
5/3/16 4:38pm
100%. The more we can get BYU to mirror other universities the better. We need t
jbonita
5/3/16 4:48pm
You can't live the spirit of the law
stoils
5/3/16 4:56pm
While I don't necessarily agree with the "get rid of it" approach...
Eddie
5/3/16 5:52pm
BYU is not the church
stoils
5/3/16 6:04pm
If you don't understand that 90% of the HC is about sin, I'm not sure we...
Eddie
5/3/16 6:16pm
Just because sins are included in the HC
stoils
5/3/16 6:24pm
As soon as the AFA, US Government, etc....
Eddie
5/4/16 12:44pm
What about nephi killing laban, children of israel driving out caananites etc.
Harrison0Yfan
5/3/16 7:58pm
This is honestly so not true... Who deals with academic related issues? the HCO
Dissenter
5/3/16 8:15pm
These are great examples.
Eddie
5/4/16 2:47pm
Exactly, there is nothing honorable about it.
k2coug
5/3/16 9:28pm
Nothing honorable?
stoils
5/4/16 11:04am
They should keep it, but they should just put someone like you in charge of it.
Y2k
5/3/16 8:19pm
I think Kerbouchard just volunteered to do it pro bono
stoils
5/4/16 11:07am
BYU is its own worst enemy sometimes
DapperDan
5/3/16 3:52pm
There's no way that's true. If anyone is saying that, it's just another excuse.
RugbyCoug
5/3/16 3:52pm
It's the current manifestation of potential political baggage that BYU brings
DapperDan
5/3/16 3:59pm
Only partial summary of Dodd
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
5/3/16 3:52pm
I think it's a left-field, stupid reason to even bring up.
El Fuego
5/3/16 3:53pm
Not to those who view the chilling of rape reports as a big issue,
SoCalCoug
5/3/16 3:57pm
Ugh... there is no way there is any truth to that...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 3:53pm
Deny it all you want; BYU will still be on the outside looking in after the next
SoCalCoug
5/3/16 3:55pm
It wouldn't have a thing to do with this if so
cougarmanguy
5/3/16 3:56pm
So you say.
SoCalCoug
5/3/16 3:58pm
Most rational people without an ax to grind would agree
cougarmanguy
5/3/16 3:59pm
Cause BYU has a history of win at all costs approach
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 4:07pm
I agree, but it won't be because of something so easily resolved as this
BYUCoug11
5/3/16 4:00pm
But it won't be because of the HC/Rape incident...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 4:00pm
i agree, but it's not going to be because of the HC thing.
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:04pm
Dodd said it was purely his opinion. Not from any B12 source
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
5/3/16 3:56pm
the media is making it out to be something it isn't, the facts are not bad
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 10:39pm
Victims shouldn't have any honor code issues...it's pretty bad...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 10:44pm
I don't care if they give them immunity but I don't blame them for accoutability
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 10:49pm
That should be between them and their bishop... BYU needs to keep their nose...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 11:08pm
If rules are not enforced there are no rules. BYU standards is part of identity
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 11:13pm
time and a place... there is a time to enforce and a time when it's none...
Smoke Monster
5/4/16 12:46pm
If it wasn't that, it would be something else
MHOP
5/3/16 3:53pm
Dodd is not a fan of byu. He has been retweeting articles saying that the NCAA
Bostonblue
5/3/16 3:58pm
Are retweets endorsements? Has anyone covered that yet?
riboflavin
5/3/16 3:59pm
Dodd also said that his comments about the BYU HCO were not conveyed
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:01pm
because i think he thinks its going to be an issue moving forward.
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:02pm
i.e. he desperately wants it to be an issue going forward.
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:04pm
i think that's a leap. i agree that it will be an issue going forward as schools
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:07pm
he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues and he doesn't agree with byu's
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:09pm
where's the proof that he's a huge proponent of pushing social issues?
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:11pm
I've been following him on twitter for years. Go back and read em if you have
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:13pm
i have as well but haven't seen it. you could be right.
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:14pm
I'm not saying I always disagree with him, but he usually weighs in any time a
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:17pm
Are you suggesting that a reporter covered a major news story???
DapperDan
5/3/16 4:26pm
I hate when people butt-in to a conversation who haven't read the whole thread.
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:38pm
Yet he said its the "biggest obstacle"? Dumb
YIsForBrigham
5/3/16 4:11pm
If you think this isn't an issue, you need a reality
Cougarealist
5/3/16 4:00pm
it could be an issue, but it's certainly not the biggest issue.
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:03pm
It's an issue between BYU and it's students...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 4:05pm
You have your head in the sand
The Brig
5/3/16 7:28pm
Your axe to grind against the honor code
stoils
5/4/16 11:09am
If this was said, this tells me they are looking for ANY excuse to not add BYU.
Superman21
5/3/16 4:09pm
it wasn't said. Dodd admitted as much.
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:11pm
Dodd is trying to make it an issue
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 4:14pm
Have you seen the news lately? It's already an issue. It is one that can be
DapperDan
5/3/16 4:16pm
It's a local issue that has made 2 minutes of national news...
Smoke Monster
5/3/16 4:19pm
You're right completely local, if you don't count ABC, CNN, TIME, HuffPo, NYT,
DapperDan
5/3/16 4:25pm
the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk
Bostonblue
5/3/16 4:27pm
RE: the tv segments that have been spent on this on the Sunday morning talk
DapperDan
5/3/16 4:38pm
Dodd is a reporter. Did he quote an official in the conference?
Superman21
5/3/16 4:18pm
lol. it was dodd's opinion.
riboflavin
5/3/16 4:19pm
That is my point. I don't think anybody from the BIGXII would say anything.
Superman21
5/3/16 4:20pm
Compare the number of sexual assaults at BYU to any B12 school & get back to me.
CaliWG
5/3/16 4:13pm
Should we compare the # of sexual assaults where the girl gets investigated?
The Dude Abides
5/3/16 4:42pm
Am I in favor of how BYU handles it? No, and I hope the policy changes. But...
CaliWG
5/3/16 4:56pm
You actually are blaming them, whether you realize it or not.
messi
5/3/16 5:42pm
I'm not blaming them
CaliWG
5/3/16 5:51pm
Wrong, you are blaming them. You are implying that if they would have followed
messi
5/3/16 6:15pm
There's a huge diff between exposing yourself to danger & assertive action
CaliWG
5/3/16 6:29pm
There are several holes in your argument, and I'm not sure what you mean by
messi
5/3/16 6:57pm
I agree with you. But do have a question.
Eddie
5/4/16 3:12pm
I kind of wish people would stop using traffic accident analogies for rape.
The Dude Abides
5/3/16 6:32pm
Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so BYU's not that "safe"
Hill4Heisman
5/3/16 6:40pm
it's absurd to say that BYU isn't safe. Of course it is.
HarlemCoug
5/3/16 8:02pm
Rapes go unreported everywhere for other reasons. I highly doubt that the
Harrison0Yfan
5/3/16 8:05pm
If you have been drinking and then are raped and don't report it
AzCoug1
5/3/16 8:39pm
Yep. If you break the rules and then don't report because you broke the rules...
pgbyufan
5/3/16 10:31pm
You do realize that police generally don't prosecute those things when a rape
Y2k
5/3/16 10:40pm
they don't prosecute but these are not crimes and no jail, just suspension
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 10:52pm
But it does clearly send the message that if you don't want to go through the
Y2k
5/4/16 12:45am
I agree and mostly but not as big a problem as you might think.
Bobmarleyjr
5/4/16 12:59am
I agree with that. But they should fix the policy, and while they're at it
Y2k
5/4/16 1:07am
Rapes at BYU go unreported because of fear of the HC, so whatever I say next is
Y2k
5/3/16 9:03pm
I have to wonder if DD is 'on the take'.
Rocketman
5/3/16 5:40pm
the tweet is nonsense - there was 1 reported rape at BYU in 2014. The idea that somehow rape culture is a
HarlemCoug
5/3/16 5:50pm
BYU was actually Ranked the #1 safest campus in America
CaliWG
5/3/16 5:59pm
Impressive given the number of students at BYU
pgbyufan
5/3/16 10:33pm
Big difference between reported rapes and actual rapes
Hill4Heisman
5/3/16 6:47pm
You think honor code increases the likelihood of a sexual assault?
jbonita
5/3/16 6:53pm
Not the HC itself, but the HC policy of formally investigating all victims.
Hill4Heisman
5/4/16 12:36pm
I am trying to understand. You the HC plus its investigation policy makes one mo
jbonita
5/4/16 12:41pm
2 main reasons why HC increases risk
Hill4Heisman
5/4/16 1:58pm
Offset by way more reasons why HC enforcement reduces risk
stoils
5/4/16 2:08pm
I get your points, but BYU's sexual assault rate is very low. Some of that is
jbonita
5/4/16 2:10pm
I agree that it increases the risk - it takes it from .000037 to about .00005. Still WAY below
HarlemCoug
5/3/16 8:01pm
anyone that says most girls are having sex or drinks at BYU and being assaulted
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 11:00pm
Did you ever notice most of these "students" have issues with the church or BYU?
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 10:56pm
Don't believe that at all
spugeddy24
5/3/16 6:19pm
Big 12 isnt involved in that. It is a school issue. Has nothing to do with them
Count Cougar
5/3/16 7:27pm
That is a bunch of bull. No way b12 would care about that
chazen
5/3/16 11:04pm
Especially because it doesn't involve athletes and facts are just ideological
Bobmarleyjr
5/3/16 11:14pm
I'm a fan that isn't a fan of the school, and this would not end things for me.
District
5/4/16 12:20am
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