Good luck! Can the state really prove that beyond a reasonable doubt?

Jul 7, 2015
10:58:57am

zuxvon

Just by this thread, it shows she should not be charged as many people differ in their opinion of her actions, but no one disputes that the qb used excessive force. Which is why he was charged and she was not.

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zuxvon

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So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:08am

So how often do you beat your wife?

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:09am

What part of my analysis did you find factually inaccurate?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:10am

The presumption that it is ever ok for a man to punch a woman in the face

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:14am

Which law is that? As far as I know, it is illegal to hit a person. Both should

Mister P

7/7/15 10:15am

To say her arm was cocked to punch is a bit of a stretch. Elbow tucked at her

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:20am

Read her lips. She threatened to hit him and raised a fist. It doesn't matter

Mister P

7/7/15 10:23am

hmm.. he certainly shouldn't have punched her but she was definitely not in

jota

7/7/15 10:23am

what? outline the case for her being the aggressor here. She is clearly

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:27am

raising a fist, threatening to punch, then following through with the first

jota

7/7/15 10:29am

Grabbing her arm and twisting = initiating contact

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:30am

yes, both are at fault. Meaning the fault is shared.. how is this concept hard

jota

7/7/15 10:33am

Exactly. I think a lot of guys here are trying to find the ONE person at fault.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:37am

I've explained why twice and you keep ignoring the posts.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:40am

"While it is likely she committed some crime" Those are your words.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:43am

And? You're up in arms that she wasn't charged. I explained why.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:50am

It is wrong that both weren't charged, as both committed crimes.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:53am

So you're doubling down on the nanny state?

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:56am

Not at all. They could choose not to charge either.

Mister P

7/7/15 11:03am

she showed aggression and threw the first punch

Ft Worth Cougar

7/7/15 10:18am

not exactly. She was getting pushed by the guy and I think she was standing

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:20am

He initiated contact by grabbing her wrist and twisting

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:21am

yeah, after pushing into her as well. I'm amazed by the comments that

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:25am

significant difference between "AN" and "THE"

jota

7/7/15 10:34am

Agreed 100%. When you don't charge the woman in a case like this you encourage

Mister P

7/7/15 10:21am

It is a bit of a double standard that she was not also charged.

Turnpike Lane

7/7/15 10:10am

she should have been charged. he's a monster though. just terrible.

riboflavin

7/7/15 10:16am

Exactly, you never hit a woman.

-C9-

7/7/15 10:24am

you dont punch a woman back

Cougarealist

7/7/15 10:12am

How about nobody punches anybody?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:12am

While I agree with you completely, it creates a double standard with all of this

RdF3

7/7/15 10:13am

IMO a woman who takes it to that level deserves what she gets ...

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:15am

Deserves what she gets? Wow. Just, wow.

John Doe

7/7/15 10:17am

your consequence for being stupid is a bunch of thumbs down

Cougarealist

7/7/15 10:18am

You are a bad person

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:24am

I'm not saying that's what I'd do but I have no sympathy for her either.

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:30am

Hyperbole does not change he fact that you are a bad person

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:33am

Like you have any idea

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:34am

Nominated for worst post of the day

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:33am

True, but she should have been charged with assault as well.

CougDogg-e-Dogg

7/7/15 10:20am

What if the woman is Ms. Jenner?

Busiturtle

7/7/15 10:21am

Or Hope Solo? I bet she could take out a bunch of CBers

Busiturtle

7/7/15 10:35am

Your argument is that two wrongs make a right? I thought this logical flaw was

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:15am

No, my argument is that she should be facing charges as well. You disagree?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:16am

IDK. While it is likely she committed some crime, I think most agree that a

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:22am

And if her arm was cocked to hit him, she is doing it very wrong

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:16am

So its ok to take a swing at someone if you suck at it?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:17am

He initiated contact, not her.

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:21am

Looks like you didnt watch the video

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:26am

You are wrong. Feel free to watch it yourself.

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:29am

He is trying to squeeze into the bar and she puts her forearm into his chest and

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:33am

Yes, by pinning her into the bar

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:45am

She pushed him with her forearm and she hit first

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:47am

If I'm not mistaken, she also raised her right leg and kicked him in the groin

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:51am

Good luck! Can the state really prove that beyond a reasonable doubt?

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:58am

Isn't that the requirement for murder?

Mister P

7/7/15 11:03am

BARD is the standard for any criminal prosecution.

benny1982

7/7/15 11:11am

as an athlete that specializes in a contact sport, you could argue he had the

Cougarclaw

7/7/15 10:16am

You could also argue she took the first swing and he defended himself.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:18am

I don't think you can argue that at all. C'mon. She presented no threat to him

runnincoug

7/7/15 10:23am

Did he punch her, or did he slap her? This makes a little difference in my mind.

Y2k

7/7/15 10:17am

Hard to tell if it was a closed fist or not but he gave her a bloody nose

SanDiegoCoug

7/7/15 10:32am

I would have no problem if she also got charged.

mpfunk

7/7/15 10:24am

Absolutely he should be. As should she. Nobody is allowed to hit anybody

Mister P

7/7/15 10:26am

No mercy! No discretion by officers or prosecutors! One step out of line and

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:28am

This is the problem with Mister P.'s approach---you need to have room for human

runnincoug

7/7/15 10:57am

Exactly. Arrests, enforcement, and charges should be circumstance specific.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 11:01am

What if her punch caught him in the eye with her fingernail? He might lose that

Mister P

7/7/15 11:06am

So she should be charged based on what could have but didn't happen?

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 11:10am

Barkley injured KJ by hugging him too hard. Should we assume every hug has the

runnincoug

7/7/15 11:15am

His charge was a misdemeanor due to the circumstances

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:51am

The guy is screwed because he is a guy

Remigius

7/7/15 10:56am

Agree, the irony is that it would not have led to charges

zuxvon

7/7/15 11:04am

I don't feel bad for either person in this case

Remigius

7/7/15 11:25am

There has GOT to be a category for this discussion that I have ignored. I hope.

fulano

7/7/15 10:36am

If we switch the roles of the sexes in this scenario

Remigius

7/7/15 10:48am

Dont hit a women. Simple as that, and yes my Dad would beat me if I did even

BlueDragon

7/7/15 10:53am

The bigger issue is that he made his team and University look bad.

Y2k

7/7/15 10:57am

There is something to this

Remigius

7/7/15 11:00am

Why does either option have to be mutually exclusive? Both actions...

truecoug1

7/7/15 11:17am

RE: So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.

Cnation

7/7/15 11:12am

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