To say her arm was cocked to punch is a bit of a stretch. Elbow tucked at her

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Jul 7, 2015
10:20:57am

Sid Vicious

To say her arm was cocked to punch is a bit of a stretch. Elbow tucked at her

side, hand up by her shoulder, hand not even tight in a fist. Then he grabs the wrist and twists. She screams, and he keeps twisting. She throws a limp left to try to get him off her. He blasts her full in the face with a right still while holding her right wrist so she can't even get her hand up to defend.

She is in self-defense mode. He is in criminal mode.

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Sid Vicious

Previous username: oldog
Bio page: Sid Vicious
Joined: Jul 29, 2002
Last login: Nov 17, 2024
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So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:08am

So how often do you beat your wife?

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:09am

What part of my analysis did you find factually inaccurate?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:10am

The presumption that it is ever ok for a man to punch a woman in the face

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:14am

Which law is that? As far as I know, it is illegal to hit a person. Both should

Mister P

7/7/15 10:15am

To say her arm was cocked to punch is a bit of a stretch. Elbow tucked at her

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:20am

Read her lips. She threatened to hit him and raised a fist. It doesn't matter

Mister P

7/7/15 10:23am

hmm.. he certainly shouldn't have punched her but she was definitely not in

jota

7/7/15 10:23am

what? outline the case for her being the aggressor here. She is clearly

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:27am

raising a fist, threatening to punch, then following through with the first

jota

7/7/15 10:29am

Grabbing her arm and twisting = initiating contact

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:30am

yes, both are at fault. Meaning the fault is shared.. how is this concept hard

jota

7/7/15 10:33am

Exactly. I think a lot of guys here are trying to find the ONE person at fault.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:37am

I've explained why twice and you keep ignoring the posts.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:40am

"While it is likely she committed some crime" Those are your words.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:43am

And? You're up in arms that she wasn't charged. I explained why.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:50am

It is wrong that both weren't charged, as both committed crimes.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:53am

So you're doubling down on the nanny state?

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:56am

Not at all. They could choose not to charge either.

Mister P

7/7/15 11:03am

she showed aggression and threw the first punch

Ft Worth Cougar

7/7/15 10:18am

not exactly. She was getting pushed by the guy and I think she was standing

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:20am

He initiated contact by grabbing her wrist and twisting

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:21am

yeah, after pushing into her as well. I'm amazed by the comments that

Bob Vance

7/7/15 10:25am

significant difference between "AN" and "THE"

jota

7/7/15 10:34am

Agreed 100%. When you don't charge the woman in a case like this you encourage

Mister P

7/7/15 10:21am

It is a bit of a double standard that she was not also charged.

7/7/15 10:10am

she should have been charged. he's a monster though. just terrible.

riboflavin

7/7/15 10:16am

Exactly, you never hit a woman.

-C9-

7/7/15 10:24am

you dont punch a woman back

7/7/15 10:12am

How about nobody punches anybody?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:12am

While I agree with you completely, it creates a double standard with all of this

RdF3

7/7/15 10:13am

IMO a woman who takes it to that level deserves what she gets ...

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:15am

Deserves what she gets? Wow. Just, wow.

John Doe

7/7/15 10:17am

your consequence for being stupid is a bunch of thumbs down

7/7/15 10:18am

You are a bad person

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:24am

I'm not saying that's what I'd do but I have no sympathy for her either.

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:30am

Hyperbole does not change he fact that you are a bad person

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:33am

Like you have any idea

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:34am

Nominated for worst post of the day

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:33am

True, but she should have been charged with assault as well.

CougDogg-e-Dogg

7/7/15 10:20am

What if the woman is Ms. Jenner?

Busiturtle

7/7/15 10:21am

Or Hope Solo? I bet she could take out a bunch of CBers

Busiturtle

7/7/15 10:35am

Your argument is that two wrongs make a right? I thought this logical flaw was

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:15am

No, my argument is that she should be facing charges as well. You disagree?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:16am

IDK. While it is likely she committed some crime, I think most agree that a

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:22am

And if her arm was cocked to hit him, she is doing it very wrong

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:16am

So its ok to take a swing at someone if you suck at it?

Mister P

7/7/15 10:17am

He initiated contact, not her.

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:21am

Looks like you didnt watch the video

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:26am

You are wrong. Feel free to watch it yourself.

Sid Vicious

7/7/15 10:29am

He is trying to squeeze into the bar and she puts her forearm into his chest and

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:33am

Yes, by pinning her into the bar

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:45am

She pushed him with her forearm and she hit first

concolor couguar

7/7/15 10:47am

If I'm not mistaken, she also raised her right leg and kicked him in the groin

ManicBlue

7/7/15 10:51am

Good luck! Can the state really prove that beyond a reasonable doubt?

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:58am

Isn't that the requirement for murder?

Mister P

7/7/15 11:03am

BARD is the standard for any criminal prosecution.

benny1982

7/7/15 11:11am

as an athlete that specializes in a contact sport, you could argue he had the

Cougarclaw

7/7/15 10:16am

You could also argue she took the first swing and he defended himself.

Mister P

7/7/15 10:18am

I don't think you can argue that at all. C'mon. She presented no threat to him

runnincoug

7/7/15 10:23am

No threat in what way? She could have absolutely given him bruises

kimdaddy35

7/7/15 11:01am

Watch that video again and rethink your statement. Really?

runnincoug

7/7/15 11:10am

If she couldn't reach him how did she make contact with his face?

kimdaddy35

7/7/15 11:19am

Not to mention the kick to the groin area prior to her punch

ManicBlue

7/7/15 11:28am

Watching it again ... yes she can reach him. No she wasn't a threat.

runnincoug

7/7/15 11:30am

Are you serious? You think that football players are naturally better

kimdaddy35

7/7/15 10:59am

no

Cougarclaw

7/7/15 11:21am

Did he punch her, or did he slap her? This makes a little difference in my mind.

Y2k

7/7/15 10:17am

Hard to tell if it was a closed fist or not but he gave her a bloody nose

7/7/15 10:32am

I would have no problem if she also got charged.

mpfunk

7/7/15 10:24am

Absolutely he should be. As should she. Nobody is allowed to hit anybody

Mister P

7/7/15 10:26am

No mercy! No discretion by officers or prosecutors! One step out of line and

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 10:28am

This is the problem with Mister P.'s approach---you need to have room for human

runnincoug

7/7/15 10:57am

Exactly. Arrests, enforcement, and charges should be circumstance specific.

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 11:01am

What if her punch caught him in the eye with her fingernail? He might lose that

Mister P

7/7/15 11:06am

So she should be charged based on what could have but didn't happen?

bluebloodedcoug

7/7/15 11:10am

Barkley injured KJ by hugging him too hard. Should we assume every hug has the

runnincoug

7/7/15 11:15am

His charge was a misdemeanor due to the circumstances

zuxvon

7/7/15 10:51am

The guy is screwed because he is a guy

Remigius

7/7/15 10:56am

Agree, the irony is that it would not have led to charges

zuxvon

7/7/15 11:04am

I don't feel bad for either person in this case

Remigius

7/7/15 11:25am

There has GOT to be a category for this discussion that I have ignored. I hope.

fulano

7/7/15 10:36am

If we switch the roles of the sexes in this scenario

Remigius

7/7/15 10:48am

Dont hit a women. Simple as that, and yes my Dad would beat me if I did even

BlueDragon

7/7/15 10:53am

The bigger issue is that he made his team and University look bad.

Y2k

7/7/15 10:57am

There is something to this

Remigius

7/7/15 11:00am

Why does either option have to be mutually exclusive? Both actions...

truecoug1

7/7/15 11:17am

RE: So I saw the video of the freshman FSU QB fight with the girl at the bar.

Cnation

7/7/15 11:12am

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