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Nov 21, 2014
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rcbyufan
I've admitted that Cooper is the best argument against my position.
technically though they did have a worse record in Tressel's first year.
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Returning from my self-imposed silence.
pittsburghcoug
11/21/14 4:07pm
Does this paragraph from the HBR article nail it about Bronco?
pittsburghcoug
11/21/14 4:15pm
Makes sense to me.
DaveLB
11/21/14 4:19pm
Not at all actually.
ManicBlue
11/21/14 4:26pm
Who did he hire to replace the OC he fired? The same OC that was there
foofcoug
11/21/14 4:44pm
You mean the one that was really successful here before ? Yeah that's weird.
ManicBlue
11/21/14 4:50pm
Yeah, part of that same internal network.
foofcoug
11/21/14 4:56pm
You're right ... Holliday, Tujague, Beck, and Atuaia bring nothing new
ManicBlue
11/21/14 5:01pm
Your rebuttal only holds weight if those position coaches are excelling
SBJ
11/21/14 6:51pm
uh ... not
ManicBlue
11/21/14 9:14pm
Sorry, you're wrong again.
SBJ
11/22/14 11:42am
Sorry, you're still clueless.
ManicBlue
11/22/14 8:44pm
Actually, it sounds more like Lavell Edwards, post-1985
BeardedSpock
11/21/14 4:33pm
Avoiding losses over pursuing gains?
teancum
11/21/14 5:05pm
Can you dumb it down a shade?
Azul_Rust
11/21/14 6:48pm
It's called Battered Fan Syndrome
kotacoug
11/21/14 4:18pm
etiology: stagnant coaching syndrome.
oryguncoug
11/21/14 4:23pm
It's based on years of data. Firing coaches with Bronco's record ALWAYS results
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:27pm
Florida state?
cougarfann888
11/21/14 4:29pm
2 points
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:39pm
Not true. Jimbo only controlled the O, he was nowhere near a de facto HC.
slatecoug
11/22/14 6:56pm
John Cooper Ohio State
concolor couguar
11/21/14 4:32pm
Cooper is actually THE best argument to my position, IMO
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:45pm
Adding special caveats after can literally rule out everyone
concolor couguar
11/21/14 5:28pm
Sure, but a couple of points
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:33pm
cooper was fired
concolor couguar
11/21/14 5:40pm
I've admitted that Cooper is the best argument against my position.
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:49pm
technically you said 3-5 years
concolor couguar
11/21/14 10:35pm
Keep moving that target...
swingcat
11/21/14 5:34pm
tressel to urban meyer
oryguncoug
11/21/14 4:50pm
i am of course not counting fickell in between as he was a seat warmer until
oryguncoug
11/21/14 4:50pm
off-field firing is not the same thing. I should have made that clear.
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:04pm
Do they have to have his exact record or are you saying that firing a winning
monkeycowboy
11/21/14 4:32pm
Not exactly the same situation since Tressel would still be coaching
ManicBlue
11/21/14 4:36pm
but he was a winning coach. The other scenario would be bobby bowden at Fl state
monkeycowboy
11/21/14 4:39pm
Tressel was let go for off-field issues, not remotely for on-field
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:46pm
also, tressel was winless in his final year
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:17pm
Urban Meyer? Whittingham? Anderson? I havent even left the state.
DaveLB
11/21/14 4:34pm
Urban Meyer wasn't fired. Anderson wasn't fired. Try again.
ManicBlue
11/21/14 4:36pm
He did say fired so Whitt and Anderson situations dont work
concolor couguar
11/21/14 4:37pm
I was referring to McBride and Guy (USU). Both of their replacements
DaveLB
11/21/14 4:40pm
Guy was awful and doesnt fit the scenario of a record like bronco
concolor couguar
11/21/14 4:43pm
Just use Bronco's record against just decent teams then it will match
DaveLB
11/21/14 4:46pm
no it wont
concolor couguar
11/21/14 5:26pm
McBride had 2 losing seasons in last 3 years. Guy won like 5 games total
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:47pm
auburn chizik to malzahn, arkansas nutt to petrino, florida, zook-meyer
oryguncoug
11/21/14 4:40pm
chizik-losing season, also .500 career record (w/14-0 year)
rcbyufan
11/21/14 4:58pm
So if bronco had a losing season next year?
concolor couguar
11/21/14 5:29pm
i thought we were just going with winning percentage, you are changing the rules
oryguncoug
11/21/14 6:00pm
Southern Mississippi and New Mexico come to mind
BeardedSpock
11/21/14 4:42pm
Firing CEOs also results in lower performance in the short run
DrBYU
11/21/14 4:43pm
That's all I'm saying. Short term is always worse.
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:00pm
but it is not always worse
concolor couguar
11/21/14 5:30pm
Nice made-up statistics you pulled out of the air. Here's some real stats:
Culligan Man
11/21/14 4:48pm
So, we can expect 1 fewer win if we let go of Mendenhall based on your stats.
CMuehle
11/21/14 4:58pm
Yes, let's wait until next year where we fall even further
Culligan Man
11/21/14 5:05pm
If bronco 1.moves on or 2. resigns/retires I am okay with it. Only talking about
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:19pm
This article is lacking the data. My recollection is fired coaches
PJMort
11/21/14 5:50pm
This logic fails and almost proves the point you are trying to disprove
cougarfann888
11/21/14 4:57pm
Coaches moving on is totally different than firing. If Bronco resigned, it would
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:02pm
why would it make a difference as to if we were succesful under the next coach?
cougarfann888
11/21/14 5:03pm
the job is much less attractive to potential coaches
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:21pm
We will have to disagree on cause and affect. If saban got fired this year it
cougarfann888
11/21/14 5:30pm
Bellotti got "reassigned" so Chip Kelly cloud take over.
Art Director
11/21/14 4:58pm
All I'm saying is the data says if you fire an 8 win coach for on-field issues
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:04pm
so if we lose to cal and the bowl game will you jump on the #firebronco team
cougarfann888
11/21/14 5:07pm
Maybe. Look, BYU may be an outlier (because our coaching pool is different from
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:15pm
He wont get 8 wins this season. Tomorrow will pad it to 7 then thats all folks.
DaveLB
11/21/14 5:21pm
Bellotti was a 13-year coach with a .67 winning percentage. An 8-5 average.
Art Director
11/21/14 5:22pm
I think you have a good point. However,
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:29pm
Most of us are concerned about the long term health of the program. I'm quite
Real Men Wear Blue
11/21/14 5:23pm
that's fine. And I think this is one of the reasons the tough schedule next yr
rcbyufan
11/21/14 5:31pm
I opine that the tought schedules has brought this criticism up.
CougarPilot
11/21/14 8:04pm
The study is a valid point but the fact that you say "ALWAYS, every single time"
swingcat
11/21/14 5:31pm
Don't use logic against Bronco lovers, it will be lost on them.
CougarWarrior
11/21/14 5:06pm
So who would you hire?
zia cougar
11/21/14 7:38pm
Not this again
CougarEatU
11/22/14 1:07am
I would hire myself. I know I would do a terrible job but I would enjoy it
cougarfann888
11/22/14 1:16am
This may have been posted already but during the slew of fire Kyle talk after
Cornelius
11/22/14 8:12am
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