Then don't compare. Fact is, he was just OK this year. Helped the team in a lot

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Dec 24, 2024
10:31:51am

russkiejedi Intervention Needed

Then don't compare. Fact is, he was just OK this year. Helped the team in a lot

of ways, hurt in others. Going forward, a BYU QB will have to be better against teams like Kansas and ASU than Jake was this year. Kansas was not a tough defense, and he couldn't get this offense to score points. I hope he'll take another big jump this off-season and get more consistent, but I'm not super optimistic that he's going to become a special QB.

He's the guy going into next season, regardless. So I will root for him. But I'm skeptical that he'll be great.

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This sentiment is mind-blowing.... Retzlaff took major steps this season in his first full season as a starter

Adrielle Board Misanthrope

Dec 23, 6:14pm

Because improving from awful to serviceable is both easier and more likely than

russkiejedi

Dec 23, 6:18pm

So good improvement is actually that he just sucked less. Goodness. How lame. There have been name QBs who have kept...

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:25pm

I think his point is he couldn’t have been worse than he was in 2023.

HBCoug

Dec 23, 6:34pm

Yup. Retzlaff was improved but imagining this team with Dart makes me sad.

tacallaway

Dec 23, 6:41pm

The point is that it's a bit silly to comp a guy who played (by far) the

oxcoug

Dec 23, 6:43pm

Then don't compare. Fact is, he was just OK this year. Helped the team in a lot

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 10:31am

It's a grass is always greener thing. And maybe ruskie thinks he's reached his ceiling. I don't see that at all

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:44pm

I don’t think he makes that leap without greatly improving accuracy and that doesn’t ever really happen. But maybe it

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:56pm

RE: I don’t think he makes that leap without greatly improving accuracy

tacallaway

Dec 23, 7:06pm

He hit his ceiling during the season this year. He was worse at the end of it

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 7:16am

I disagree. He was great at running the offense… until he wasn’t.

YOHONOMOTO

Dec 23, 9:43pm

Guys don't just keep getting better the longer they stick around. He will

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 7:11am

I think Retzy improves again this offseason because he won't split practice reps

pinolero

Dec 23, 6:22pm

And now it's going to be a matter of fine tuning. Certainly he has been told where his weaknesses are now (efficiency...

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:27pm

His potential is not limitless. He has a ceiling and he's probably close to it.

DudeBro

Dec 23, 6:43pm

What, specifically limits his ceiling? Arm strength? Lack of mobility? What?

SoCalCoug

Dec 23, 6:46pm

Throwing motion which limits his accuracy and allows for more batted balls at

foofcoug

Dec 23, 6:52pm

He can improve his accuracy without changing his throwing motion.

pinolero

Dec 23, 6:55pm

4 years post high school and he's magically going to "learn" accuracy?

foofcoug

Dec 23, 6:57pm

He can learn to take his check downs more. If he gets all #1 reps he'll improve.

pinolero

Dec 23, 7:10pm

He can also learn to control his velocity better. Doesn't have to let it rip on

pinolero

Dec 23, 7:13pm

I hope it happens and I hope I'm wrong. He's a likable guy and a competitor.

foofcoug

Dec 23, 7:18pm

Maybe one of his many throwing motions is accurate. If that is the case we need to get him to that most often.

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:58pm

Even the batted balls issue is over blown. That is change that will happen by

Dec 23, 7:02pm

For one, he likes to turn the ball over. He's also short and throws sidearm.

DudeBro

Dec 23, 6:59pm

I don't think so. He's nowhere near his ceiling. No it's not limitless, but he's been a starter for 16 games.

Adrielle

Dec 23, 6:46pm

Retlazz will have 17 starts before next season starts. Here's how other QBs have played after 17 starts under their belt

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:05pm

He’s played one full season of P4 football.

Dec 23, 6:48pm

I think Retzlaff make great strides and is a good leader and a fine QB. QBs generally don’t learn accuracy over time and

shimmy

Dec 23, 6:54pm

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Spiff

Dec 23, 7:06pm

Comparison of accuracy of BYU QBs in their final games after their first 17 starts:

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:16pm

I notice you only listed the best ones and yeah, a couple guys improved. Hope that is Jake. Where does he rank on that

shimmy

Dec 23, 7:20pm

I didn't include QBs with fewer than 18 starts (which is what Jake will have at the start of next year). Here's the QBs

Spiff

Dec 23, 7:40pm

I guess it was the best ones my nature of getting so many starts then. And yeah they improved a little bit for

shimmy

Dec 23, 7:46pm

Jake made big strides in the off season. Hopefully, he does it again, but…

Frustrated Coug

Dec 23, 7:17pm

I think we are all behind him. But it doesn’t erase critiques we all see

MrSandman

Dec 23, 9:03pm

Jake never got better as the season went on. You would expect a team that is

bookofdaniel

Dec 23, 7:50pm

His last 4 games he threw 2 TD’s to 4 picks. If anything defenses figured him

MrSandman

Dec 23, 9:02pm

He’s not NFL material due to mechanics. Teams did figure out to just blitz him

Cougs2012

Dec 23, 9:15pm

They're not going to get a new guy to compete with him next season, so it's not

russkiejedi

Dec 24, 10:21am

I want him two more years. I think he’s dedicated to make the improvements

Blue Heart

Dec 23, 10:40pm

He was electrifying in some of those wins as were his teammates. O and D struggled at times, and were amazing at other

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 23, 11:30pm

Someone needs to teach him how to not throw side-arm.

Les IsMore

Dec 24, 12:52am

It bothers me too, but John Beck explained that lots of guys have unique throwing motions and that they aren't

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 24, 10:39am

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