So teams seeded 12-16 in the NCAA Tournament don't deserve to be there for the

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Dec 12, 2024
3:27:17pm

CameronG Starter

same reasoning, right?

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CameronG

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Get rid of CCG games and just do this:

nephicoug

Dec 12, 11:59am

That takes away the fun of crowing a true conference champion

mudpupper

Dec 12, 12:00pm

* One True Champion

DirtyWater

Dec 12, 12:13pm

Once conferences are so big that you don’t play everyone, they become less

Rexy Coug

Dec 12, 12:28pm

A better alternative (suggested by someone I read somewhere) is to have game 12

TailgateU

Dec 12, 1:04pm

Could even be fun to have cross conference games the week of CCG

PHXSUNS31

Dec 12, 1:17pm

No. Each conference should have a 4 team conf playoff.

Icelandic Cougar

Dec 12, 12:01pm

5 extra games for the champion is like an extra half-season.

OPINIONS

Dec 12, 12:02pm

shorten the regular season to 11. 16 games max.

Schultz is back

Dec 12, 12:08pm

Yeah. These kids don't make enough money for anything more than 16.

OverratedHumor

Dec 12, 8:01pm

You do 16 for health reasons. As the NFL goes beyond that they're going to have

Schultz is back

Dec 12, 9:00pm

What percentage of NFL players do you think are on snap counts for health

OverratedHumor

Dec 12, 9:21pm

We're already there. If a Round 1 team plays in the CCG and then plays for natty

Doogal McCougar

Dec 12, 12:13pm

1 CCG and 4 (max) CFP games currently. So no different if you eliminate the CCG

thewaterboy

Dec 12, 12:48pm

I'd say do both. Make the final weekend conference championship weekend. Have

thewaterboy

Dec 12, 12:05pm

Money

Charles Darwin

Dec 12, 12:12pm

Careful. People love first round byes for undeserving teams around here.

Methusaleh22

Dec 12, 12:12pm

I like this concept....

BYU Grounds

Dec 12, 12:13pm

This looks great BUT... Making the postseason better at the expense of the regular season isn't appealing to me. I enjoy

HarlemCoug

Dec 12, 12:13pm

That’s not true re cutting regular season unless you count CCGs as regular seaso

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:25pm

I do count them as regular season. The worry is injury. By the time a national champion is crowned it's not crazy to

HarlemCoug

Dec 12, 2:24pm

There is no reason to include teams like Ohio, Marshall, and Jacksonville State

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 12:15pm

If they play in the same FBS level, they absolutely should be included.

Doogal McCougar

Dec 12, 12:21pm

Auto bids to all conf champs ranked 20 or higher

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:25pm

If you have a 24-team playoff, it seems like you'd have to give autobids out to

thewaterboy

Dec 12, 12:52pm

He wants it down to 16, so it would do some work

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:53pm

Unranked teams don't deserve a shot

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:55pm

No, they shouldn’t. We don’t have to pretend like a 9-4 Jacksonville State might be the best team in the country

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 12:29pm

We all know UMBC sucks. No way they are as good as Virginia. UVA is the number 1

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:31pm

Stop pretending like basketball and football are the same

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 12:38pm

Stop pretending that they aren’t similar

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:41pm

It took a long time for a 16 to upset a 1, but those games are getting more and

CameronG

Dec 12, 12:45pm

The increase in 15 seeds and 16 seeds winning also coincides decently well with

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:48pm

Again, if we had a 68 team playoff, let them in. But there’s no reason to let them into a limited playoff when we

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 3:09pm

Where do you get the idea I'm arguing their resumes?

CameronG

Dec 12, 3:22pm

then kick them out of the FBS. That's a better solution than having them get beat up on national tv.

HarlemCoug

Dec 12, 2:25pm

Let's also get rid of the 13-16 seeds in the NCAA bball tournament. No reason to include teams like them.

SierraCoug

Dec 12, 12:22pm

In a 68 team playoff in football, we can include them. But not now. Especially when basketball and football are so

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 12:25pm

It’s actually about the same ratio because there are fewer FBS conferences

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:27pm

You misunderstand what I’m saying

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 12:38pm

But there are fewer BS teams than D1 basketball teams, so that negates the

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:40pm

No, it doesn’t. Football rosters are way bigger than basketball rosters.

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 3:00pm

So teams seeded 12-16 in the NCAA Tournament don't deserve to be there for the

CameronG

Dec 12, 3:27pm

The point of the playoff is to crown a champion, not figure out the best team.

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 3:53pm

The point of the playoffs is to crown a champion of the best teams. That’s the whole point.

RealTaysomHill

Dec 12, 4:04pm

Is it to crown the best team or a champion of the best teams? If it is just

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 4:10pm

Then let them prove it on the field and if they are so scared of losing to

CameronG

Dec 12, 4:28pm

Everyone needs to remember these clever ideas when we roll out the new national championship playoff

Underhill

Dec 12, 12:19pm

Replace undeserving teams like Ohio, Marshall, Jacksonville to get it down to 16. No byes, 4 weeks. 1st 2 home sites

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:22pm

Or let them in so it’s a playoff where every team 100% controls their own

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:28pm

No thanks. Let them earn a spot rather than give it to them

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:34pm

Hahahaha earning a spot is exactly what I’m advocating. If an invitational is so

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:35pm

Quite the opposite. Let them in if they can make it ~top 20

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:36pm

“We’ll let the NCF West champion in if a committee with unlimited discretion

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:39pm

The "NCF West champion" made its team up of drafted players, trades and FA's with a salary cap, collective bargaining,

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:42pm

Okay substitute any sport or any league you want.

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:43pm

Find me a sport where the resources are so different within the same division, whose teams aren't acquired through draft

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:46pm

Every other college sport and division?

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:49pm

there isn't a sport close to as different from biggest spender to lowest as FBS FB. The real solution is G5/P4 split

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:51pm

You don’t think that D1 basketball is similar or even close? lol

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:52pm

You do? lol

byuTX

Dec 12, 12:55pm

Yeah I think the difference between Duke basketball and Coppin State basketball

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 12:59pm

I don't. Coppin State, if good enough to get the 16 has a better shot vs. a #1 Duke than JSU has at Oregon. Not close.

byuTX

Dec 12, 2:17pm

I guess you don't realize where the teams that get the 16 seeds are ranked in

CameronG

Dec 12, 3:25pm

It’s silly to think JSU has any real chance at Oregon or UGA. Much easier in CBB.

byuTX

Dec 12, 4:38pm

I agree, we all know Northern Illinois is the only team with a shot. JSU would

chilawcoug

Dec 12, 4:55pm

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byuTX

Dec 12, 5:29pm

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chilawcoug

Dec 12, 5:36pm

And who decides if they're Top 20? How do they "prove it" if the big boys

CameronG

Dec 12, 12:51pm

Through the magic of sight

byuTX

Dec 12, 2:17pm

Like figure skating. No thanks.

mvtoro

Dec 12, 2:33pm

I agree with that. But in figure skating they are all graded for doing the same thing. JSU shouldn’t be given a spot for

byuTX

Dec 12, 4:36pm

Nah. When you make subjectivity control who is and who isn’t able to even compete for a “championship” in a league, then

mvtoro

Dec 12, 4:52pm

Invitational is preferable at this level of CFB until major changes similar to those I laid out happen. That’s what we

byuTX

Dec 12, 5:30pm

I agree that it’s a pipe dream because of power dynamics (short of a government “commissioner” takeover”) but it’s not

mvtoro

Dec 12, 5:42pm

I think it makes sense…put top 4 from each P4, each G5 champ, 3 at-large

PHXSUNS31

Dec 12, 12:54pm

RE: Get rid of CCG games and just do this:

Greg4BYU

Dec 12, 12:55pm

How many regular season games does fcs

Cooouuugs

Dec 12, 1:39pm

Or maybe just have a 16 team playoff, no bye

SV72 Sale

Dec 12, 3:17pm

I like conference championships. It should hurt if you lose. Smu should be out.

ParentingNotForSissy

Dec 12, 3:53pm

Meh. It should hurt even more if you don't qualify for the CCG.

Doogal McCougar

Dec 12, 4:18pm

I disagree, no team should be left out because of the CCG. It should be a

Littlepotato

Dec 12, 9:28pm

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