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Oct 23, 2024
5:36:04pm

RGGeemer Intervention Needed

I'm re reading the tiebreak procedure and I'm afraid he might be right....when

Doing the tiebreaker procedures with a group of tied teams you take it as if they are still tied. So maybe the k St game doesn't have any help in this case? That would be a totally lame tiebreak rule if so. I'm hoping the tool is wrong but who knows.

We need divisions.

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RGGeemer

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There are 6 teams that can finish with 1 loss or fewer in Big 12. But they all

rcbyufan

10:51am

This is BYU's year.

BlueFever

10:52am

RE: This is BYU's year.

Socrates Johnson

11:13am

RE: This is BYU's year.

Pangare

12:12pm

No, this is different.

BlueFever

12:28pm

We just need to win!

Burton162

1:45pm

Seems crazy that there are so many teams we don't play.

momowagon

10:54am

9 games in a 16 team conf.

Soupie

10:56am

This is the new normal with these huge conferences and no divisions. It leads to all these weird tie breaker scenarios

11:01am

If we had 1 loss right now, this situation would be really frustrating. I hope

momowagon

11:39am

Divisions have gone the way of the dodo bird.

acadian8

3:48pm

The KSU vs ISU game will most likely determine who goes to CCG. Love a BYU/ISU CCG but BYU still has to win.

Soupie

10:55am

Which is bad news for us when it comes to possible tiebreakers. This means we

RGGeemer

10:56am

Crazy to see that BYU has played/will play the big12 current bottom 7 teams!

FrankenCoug

11:02am

Bottom 7 after 4 games is not necessarily same after 9 games

12:30pm

Especially when you consider preseason predicted records...

Les IsMore

1:00pm

I don't see Utah on that list. Where are they?

Sparkling Delirium

11:00am

The list does not include teams not in contention, or which really really suck.

11:06am

That was kind of the point

Sparkling Delirium

11:14am

The point being that Utah really really sucks, just to be clear.

11:18am

Will be fun if (for once) the league refs “do us a solid” in a game or two for

Cougar76

11:01am

It's about Prestige too. We want in and we want to face KSU

DataMouth

11:01am

Did you miss the game earlier this season. BYU already beat KSU by 29 pts.

Soupie

11:06am

Yeah - Yet KSU still has the most national respect IMO - Let's beat them again

DataMouth

11:11am

Feel that's shifted but who cares anyway? Keep getting scoreboard & it won't matter.

Soupie

11:13am

CO would get us a ton of eyeballs in the CCG. Hard to believe the committee

momowagon

11:43am

Remarkable. At the beginning of the year we thought BYU's schedule was stacked.

11:05am

It was but that was based on ridiculous preseason ranks.

Soupie

11:06am

Yeah, not a great look for preseason predictions. Some bad whiffs all around.

11:10am

To be fair, there are 8 new teams within the last 2 years. Voters don't really

FrankenCoug

11:12am

Still half a conference season to go, low key hate big conferences

Projectoor

11:06am

Poor Cincinnati

trom2foot3

11:17am

It looks like CO has the easiest path.

11:21am

Yeah that's really annoying. I still think they might struggle with some

YOHONOMOTO

5:38pm

The most important loss that we need is this weekend. Colorado needs to lose

Best Guess

11:50am

I may be rooting for Utah to beat Colorado....

RGGeemer

12:04pm

RE: I may be rooting for Utah to beat Colorado....

RGGeemer

12:04pm

Wow, that calculator is pretty cool!

acadian8

3:45pm

if we have only 1 loss we are still guaranteed to make the CCG

realisticCoug42

12:06pm

I'm not sure that is true. I've counted 7 different "tie scenarios" possible

rcbyufan

12:09pm

it depends on common opponents and who the loss is to.

molodyets

2:10pm

Not guaranteed - depends on tiebreakers. We really need K State to keep

RGGeemer

12:16pm

But we need them to lose to Iowa state IF ISU is still undefeated going into their game with KSU. Don’t want a 3 way

yapacoug

4:06pm

I can get on board with that because we want to face an undefeated team for

RGGeemer

4:51pm

Wrong. This is 100% incorrect. We still could get in. But it is not guaranteed at this point.

yapacoug

4:00pm

Not guaranteed. But I’d say 90+% chance

RGGeemer

4:53pm

Not sure on that because I think a 3 way tie between BYU, ISU, & KSU has got a

rcbyufan

4:56pm

If that happens then BYU is 100% in the CCG.

RGGeemer

4:58pm

I'm almost 100% sure that is not correct. Use this tool. They don't use the

rcbyufan

5:14pm

That's dumb if it wouldn't count. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this:

RGGeemer

5:28pm

That tool has us at #2 if our loss is to ASU. So some hope still. We'd be 6-0

RGGeemer

5:32pm

If our one loss is to ASU then that would remove all doubt since that's not

molodyets

5:33pm

This is a bug. The team comparison for records would both have one loss so it

molodyets

5:32pm

I'm re reading the tiebreak procedure and I'm afraid he might be right....when

RGGeemer

5:36pm

Your way makes more sense to me. I hope you're right but I think the tool may be

rcbyufan

8:19pm

I believe the tool is correct. There are a couple odd tie breakers.

Best Guess

8:37pm

Crazy how bad preseason predictions were. All 5 play 2 or 3 games…ISU 3

NYC and Japan

12:11pm

I could realistically see BYU, K state, Iowa St, and CU all have one loss

byuchocolatemilk

12:32pm

That is the only 4 way tie possible.

rcbyufan

12:36pm

And probably puts us at #4 in that scenario:(

Burton162

1:50pm

If there's a 4 way tie at 8-1:

molodyets

2:10pm

Can you walk me through that? I would have thought K St and ISU would get in

RGGeemer

2:23pm

Or would K State win the 1st tiebreaker and we win the 2nd because we beat K St?

RGGeemer

2:24pm

The only way that 4 way tie can happen is if ISU's only loss is to KSU.

molodyets

2:33pm

Are we sure KSU would win the 4-way tiebreaker with SOS? Or is that an

RGGeemer

2:37pm

Might be an assumption but they would have played all 8-1 BYU, ISU, and Colorado

rcbyufan

2:49pm

Assumptions but the gap is large now so probably safe.

molodyets

4:44pm

Who is in if Iowa St is undefeated and BYU and Colo both 1 loss?

libertycoug

12:38pm

Depends on where K State ends up compared to other teams we and Colorado both

RGGeemer

12:46pm

We are in. We beat KState and Colorado lost to them.

rcbyufan

12:47pm

Unless we lose to UCF and they end up higher than K State. Just depends at this

RGGeemer

12:48pm

This is technically correct. If UCF wins 5 in a row and KState loses 3, we

rcbyufan

1:36pm

And if you do the SEC, with LSU, Missouri, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, similar...

Celeritas

1:22pm

Bookmarking this. Great job

Your Royal Blueness

2:07pm

Amazing how different this would look if we didn't have those 3 final plays of the OSU game

HarlemCoug

3:22pm

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