But I saw seeds of it as early as 1980-81 when I attended the UofU before my mission. I didn't think it was a good look for the Utes then, and Urban certainly did not create it.

I think people continue to be hung up about Urban because he started to consistently beat us. Otherwise the other stuff would be inconsequential. Maybe someday I'll be in a place where I can cast the first stone, but as of right now, I still need to walk away. I hope we forget about Urban and just support BYU.