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May 21, 2024
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Duke Silver
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Companies that ask you to do that want loyalty from you but offer none in return
I wouldn’t do that either. And getting only a 5% raise in 5 years is complete bush league.
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So I just had my monthly 1:1 with my boss where I was informed that they plan
Doctor Rosenrosen
May 21, 5:54pm
It’s only 1 more day a week. You still have 1 day off.
DiamondMo
May 21, 5:56pm
You should find out what the other lawyer intends to do. You'll have significant leverage if he decides to retire.
HarlemCoug
May 21, 5:57pm
If the work is being farmed out to outside counsel, then what is the leverage?
BYU'01
May 21, 6:05pm
If they both leave, then the company is in a bad spot.
HarlemCoug
May 21, 6:10pm
What bad spot is created if outside counsel is doing the work?
BYU'01
May 21, 6:14pm
Using outside counsel for all the work will cost 2x as much.
JamieTartt
May 21, 7:10pm
OP’s offer: I farm out all work to outside counsel or I quit. In either case…
BYU'01
May 21, 7:21pm
If he doesn’t get to farm he and other attorney will likely leave and the company is in a really bad spot.
JamieTartt
May 21, 7:22pm
I’m only asking to farm out most of the extra 20% they want to pile on
Doctor Rosenrosen
May 21, 7:28pm
Seems like a change is past due. You don’t like your comp & they appear unhappy
BYU'01
May 21, 8:02pm
outside counsel costs for the same work are 500% higher typically
Socrates Johnson
May 22, 10:49am
Which is probably why his manager wants him to do it instead of farming it to OC
BYU'01
May 22, 4:48pm
Well yeah; you always win temporarily if you can beat the donkeys harder
Socrates Johnson
May 22, 8:54pm
I’m calling him tomorrow
Doctor Rosenrosen
May 21, 6:05pm
Sounds like an interesting application of game theory
IAmSpartyCoug
May 21, 6:14pm
I had the same thought. A twist on the prisoners dilemma and collusion
scottpete
May 21, 8:01pm
Don’t tell him your plan, even if he says something off handed it could hurt
SwanSong
May 22, 12:04am
Companies that ask you to do that want loyalty from you but offer none in return
Duke Silver
May 21, 5:57pm
Especially in this economy
SWKTNative
May 21, 6:04pm
Don’t quiet quit. If they don’t meet your demands then quit like a man or do
JoeExotic
May 21, 6:01pm
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SWKTNative
May 21, 6:04pm
Does quiet quit mean you don’t do anything at all for as long as you can
CommodoreCoug
May 21, 6:04pm
It is dishonest for the company to ask more work from someone without a pay increase.
RSL
May 21, 6:04pm
Why is it dishonest or immoral?
argus
May 21, 6:14pm
You agreed to a job description for an amount of pay. Going beyond that with no additional pay is dishonest at best.
RSL
May 21, 6:20pm
Neither.
Incentivize
May 21, 6:47pm
If you don’t like your employers terms then leave. Don’t steal.
BYU'01
May 21, 6:15pm
They are "stealing" from me. Why is their sin forgiven but the employee's isn't?
RSL
May 21, 6:19pm
Not giving you large enough pay raises is not stealing
BYU'01
May 21, 7:20pm
But refusing to do 20% more work for 0% more pay is?
CommodoreCoug
May 21, 10:48pm
If you don’t like your employment expectations you can quit. I’ve asked employee
BYU'01
May 22, 4:42pm
Refusing to do more than you’ve historically done
CommodoreCoug
May 22, 8:16pm
And if the employer doesn't like it they can fire you.
RSL
May 22, 8:36pm
Sure but that’s not ‘quiet quitting’. QQ & bounced paychecks = stealing. Saying
BYU'01
May 22, 9:18pm
Other than you have to look yourself in the mirror each night.
Big Daddy D
May 21, 6:16pm
They don't have trouble sleeping at night over it.
RSL
May 21, 6:21pm
Get another job ASAP.
Q-grr
May 21, 6:26pm
I agree with all of that.
RSL
May 21, 6:29pm
Did his pay check bounce? If not, his employer isn’t stealing. Quiet quitting is
BYU'01
May 21, 8:04pm
It seems the company is being upfront about the situation
The Dark Knight
May 21, 6:29pm
That's a fair point. Probably changes things for me a bit.
RSL
May 21, 6:31pm
Dishonest to ask somebody to work harder? Thats a new one. Wow
BYUfan92
May 21, 6:41pm
From the OP:
RSL
May 21, 6:48pm
Saw that. That doesn’t mean he might not be 20 less productive than he could
BYUfan92
May 21, 6:53pm
Why immediately take the corporate side here and assume he is/was 20% less effective?
RSL
May 21, 7:02pm
If you reread what I wrote I did say NOT say that. I said there could myriad
BYUfan92
May 21, 7:14pm
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JoeExotic
May 21, 8:08pm
Have you thought about getting back into medicine?
Ojiisan
May 21, 6:14pm
Considering how infrequently large companies have increased budgets for
benny1982
May 21, 6:22pm
I guess it kind of depends on how much work they think you are doing now and
SUAVO
May 21, 6:46pm
I would find a new job
arizonacougarfan
May 21, 7:33pm
The patent attorneys I know are making wholesale utilization
AF Cougar
May 21, 8:42pm
I find that incredibly hard to believe unless they're pumping out crap
benny1982
May 21, 9:48pm
Tell them you'll do it for 50% of the salary of the guy they just fired and you're still going to farm out a lot of it.
BYU Grounds
May 22, 4:29pm
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