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Apr 28, 2024
5:04:02pm

BYU'01 All-American

There is a reason analytics have redefined sports. Before factoring defense SJ

exceeds DB on almost any measure of offensive efficiency. I only add ‘almost’ because I don’t have a subscription to a broad enough range of advanced analytics.

I am really glad Dawson chose BYU. I hope he gets healthy for next year. I also think many are undervaluing what Spencer Johnson contributed.

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So with how the team sits right now, we’re essentially missing 3 players from

Chefcurry

Apr 27, 6:44pm

Now factor in a healthy Dawson Baker.

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 6:46pm

Keep forgetting about him. I just have no idea how good he is or isn’t since

Chefcurry

Apr 27, 6:49pm

Healthy Baker comes close to matching Jax. The question is if he'll be 100%

runnincoug

Apr 27, 10:10pm

Of course. Same for all of them. Hall injured early. Stewart filled in. Khalifa

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 11:13pm

Remember all the returnees will be more experienced and theoretically better

ABCoug

Apr 27, 6:47pm

Are we assuming hall is coming back? Or did I miss an announcement?

cougarfann888

Apr 27, 6:47pm

You missed

Biyamiti

Apr 27, 6:48pm

Ummmm 🤨

Apr 27, 6:51pm

I’m assuming it. But I’m fairly optimistic like that.

Apr 27, 6:53pm

Looks like he announced yesterday and I missed it

cougarfann888

Apr 27, 6:56pm

RE: Looks like he announced yesterday and I missed it

theonick

Apr 27, 7:53pm

I think you undersell SJ. Consistent top rebounder & sometime volume scorer.

BYU'01

Apr 27, 6:49pm

Was going to say this. Johnson is a stud.

RWaters

Apr 27, 6:50pm

And excellent defender on the ring and in the paint

MormonThug

Apr 27, 7:02pm

Yeah. SJ is going to be really difficult to replace

MaxxPower

Apr 27, 7:30pm

SJ was critical last year but Baker new mins and Richie expanded helps fill loss

Big Daddy D

Apr 27, 7:38pm

Those guys replace his scoring but he was the best rebounder on the team

JoeExotic

Apr 27, 7:41pm

There are also some intangible stuff that SJ was great at like deflections and

Big Daddy D

Apr 27, 10:34pm

That’s quite a jump to assume 2 true freshman are going to replicate

Apr 27, 6:55pm

OP forgot Dawson Baker. He will offset SJ and there is still a very good chance

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 6:58pm

I hope he can, but no promises he can return to what he was pre-injury

Apr 27, 7:00pm

I don’t see the similarity in DB and SJ’s games. I guess they both can shoot.

BYU'01

Apr 27, 7:13pm

Not exactly the point, but, Baker supposedly can create better

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 8:04pm

Reb & defense don’t seem close. DB can create his own shot via dribble/drive but

BYU'01

Apr 27, 8:48pm

SJ's post up game was a low percentage play for us He did pass it well, but his

cwilke1

Apr 27, 9:07pm

He had a down year from 3 but his career 3FG% is still higher than DBs

BYU'01

Apr 27, 9:30pm

peak years - DB 15 points per game and SJ 11 points per game. SJ had greater

cwilke1

Apr 27, 10:46pm

DB got more ppg because he was more featured in UCI offense. SJ was not

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 11:28pm

I think it would be a quite small minority of fans wishing SJ got more shots and

cwilke1

Apr 28, 12:12pm

It is really annoying to have someone twist your words. SJ was on a team with 8

Cougarbib

Apr 28, 12:51pm

There is a reason analytics have redefined sports. Before factoring defense SJ

BYU'01

Apr 28, 5:04pm

lower shooting percentages on lower shooting volumes don't add up to higher

cwilke1

Apr 28, 7:06pm

Look at their career #s: SJ’s 2FG% > DB, >3FG%, >reb, >assist rate, <to rate="" />

BYU'01

Apr 28, 7:14pm

that's moving the goalposts because this all started with replacing what we just

cwilke1

Apr 28, 9:16pm

The Big West = WCC?

BYU'01

Apr 28, 9:19pm

I did not intend to do a skills match. I was simply pointing out that OP forgot

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 11:18pm

I will be surprised if Koz or Davis average over 12 minutes a game.

marinact

Apr 27, 6:59pm

We don’t need that many minutes from them and especially in non conference

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 8:05pm

Also Baker

hasbeen

Apr 27, 7:00pm

Look at the ncaa tourney game with Duquesne … we lose SJ and JR

gmoney7

Apr 27, 7:03pm

Richie playing the 3 will be an upgrade. Biggest question mark is baker and a

johnnybyu

Apr 27, 7:05pm

Wow that feels like a big stretch to FR matching SJ and AK. In the Big 12?

Mitty

Apr 27, 7:18pm

Khalifa as a facilitator will be hard to replace.

davidmj10

Apr 27, 7:26pm

You vastly underrate SJ and Khalifa.

JoeExotic

Apr 27, 7:27pm

Umm, no way.

The Y's Insider

Apr 27, 7:42pm

We will be picked 13th again

Croweater

Apr 27, 7:45pm

I don’t think so. Two freshman won’t match SJ and Khalifa. Other pieces will

texaskevin

Apr 27, 7:47pm

The freshmen aren’t going to produce as much as Johnson

BYU '80

Apr 27, 8:40pm

Walk it back, JR - let KY prep you for the NBA!

blue13

Apr 27, 8:48pm

😂😂😂😂

Blue2thebone

Apr 27, 8:55pm

Johnson is so underrated on this board. Good grief people.

Socrates Johnson

Apr 27, 9:40pm

Also Isaac Davis is not going to come in as a freshman and replace Khalifa

Socrates Johnson

Apr 27, 9:41pm

First time the Chef has been in the kitchen

Blue2thebone

Apr 27, 10:04pm

RE: First time the Chef has been in the kitchen

Chefcurry

Apr 27, 10:16pm

Roles change. Fous will pick up a bunch of Khalifa’s minutes. We do need a

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 11:30pm

Loved Johnson. My past posts would show that. I think he had a rough year

Chefcurry

Apr 27, 10:17pm

Now your talking a little more like at least a Sous-Chef

Blue2thebone

Apr 27, 11:26pm

SJ had a massive bout with Flu that dragged his numbers down. He was

Cougarbib

Apr 27, 11:31pm

They have more upside but they are freshman Johnson had a lot of experience

davidmj10

Apr 28, 11:55am

And leadership.

Cougarbib

Apr 28, 12:57pm

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