No wonder MLMs are so pervasive. Do you hate all sciences? Just medicine & diet?

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Apr 23, 2023
5:33:40pm

BYU'01 All-American

No wonder MLMs are so pervasive. Do you hate all sciences? Just medicine & diet?

I’m 6’ 169 lbs, 5.1 A1C, good shape (hope to get some PRs this summer). I haven’t had my body fat measured in a long time as it’s expensive & inconvenient to get it done accurately.

None of the anecdotal evidence above should have any impact on anyone’s dietary pattern. There’s plentiful, robust data & science available.

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BYU'01

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Last login: Dec 21, 2024
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What factors have contributed to the increase in numbers

Archaea

4/23/23 3:30pm

Getting 2,200 calories in a $7 pizza vs 700 in a $12 salad is a factor.

BlueVU

4/23/23 3:32pm

Cost of good food.

Archaea

4/23/23 3:32pm

Nah. There are healthier choices for cheaper. But they might require

Plato

4/23/23 3:37pm

I think you are proving his point

cougaman

4/23/23 3:57pm

Processed food, fast food, sugary drinks. Not moving.

Samsonite

4/23/23 3:32pm

Same observation.

Archaea

4/23/23 3:33pm

Add to that, many professions work long hours and are fairly sedintary

spugeddy24

4/23/23 3:34pm

Especially if commuting 1-2 hours a day + working 8

1984coug

4/23/23 3:42pm

Yes, diet and physical exercise are important!

4/23/23 3:32pm

Move less and taught from a young age that carbs are what you should eat

4/23/23 3:33pm

Blaming carbs as a whole is ridiculous.

allaboutthegainz

4/23/23 3:35pm

It is grains. They dominate the American diet

4/23/23 3:36pm

It’s actually not. People eat way too many carby foods.

Samsonite

4/23/23 3:36pm

People eat too much food. It’s all calories in vs calories out.

allaboutthegainz

4/23/23 3:37pm

And what do you think is the form of most of those calories?

4/23/23 3:38pm

It is and it isn’t. I lost a lot of weight counting calories and have kept it off. I have found that as I manage my

Samsonite

4/23/23 3:38pm

Right. You ate less calories and lost weight. For you, cutting carbs helped.

allaboutthegainz

4/23/23 3:40pm

I do agree that going complete Atkins or Keto isn’t sustainable for most. My approach is counting calories and trying

Samsonite

4/23/23 3:43pm

Horse hockey!

Snipe

4/23/23 3:43pm

Simply put this is the case… but there is a lot of complexity to WHY people over

kotacoug

4/23/23 3:53pm

Quantity first, quality second but both are issues

yahtzee

4/23/23 8:03pm

WoW describes grains as ‘the staff of life’. Best data & food science agrees.

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:14pm

Section 89 does, I haven’t heard the modern word of wisdom tell us to eat grain

4mack

4/23/23 4:27pm

Where do I access the ‘modern’ edition? Best science still points to the same.

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:35pm

Processed carbs are awful for you.

Samsonite

4/23/23 4:40pm

Processing tends to strip nutrients like dietary fiber & adds sugar & sodium

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:46pm

This is terrible advice.

Samsonite

4/23/23 4:52pm

Show some data or peer-reviewed science supporting your position

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:59pm

DYOR.

Samsonite

4/23/23 5:00pm

I have. It is remarkably consistent with best data available and the WoW.

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:08pm

What’s your body fat %

Samsonite

4/23/23 5:16pm

Link

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:34pm

If this were true the characteristically lean populations of East Asia wouldt be

chismoso

4/23/23 3:45pm

They don’t eat as many carbs as we do

4/23/23 3:49pm

You are missing the point. They still eat a lot of carbs. Far less sugar

chismoso

4/23/23 3:53pm

Sugars are carbs

4/23/23 3:55pm

I know sugars are carbs. You are still missing the point

chismoso

4/23/23 3:57pm

In the average American diet it is carbs that are contributing to excess caloric

4/23/23 4:03pm

Im glad you figured it out. The problem is excess calories

chismoso

4/23/23 4:10pm

You have no interest in where the calories are coming from

4/23/23 4:20pm

If you think people are obese because of carbs I dont know how to help you

chismoso

4/23/23 4:35pm

Exactly. The majority of their calories come from carbs. They just eat less.

allaboutthegainz

4/23/23 3:59pm

Living life screen to screen to screen.

StrongBad

4/23/23 3:34pm

In addition - ability to afford and buy more high calorie foods. More sedentary, less physically demanding jobs

Zenoch

4/23/23 3:36pm

Processed food is No. 1; Sugar added to everything is No. 2

2FarGone

4/23/23 3:37pm

Seed & vegetable oil. Processed food much of which is marketed as healthy

4mack

4/23/23 3:38pm

We have foods that are designed to be addictive.

supersix

4/23/23 3:41pm

Here's the obvious...having lived it.

TrueBlue67

4/23/23 3:45pm

Good work. We all grew up with the absolute lie of the “food pyramid”, which will kill you.

Samsonite

4/23/23 3:49pm

150 grams of carbs ? Is that what you are saying? Or 150 calories from carbs.

kotacoug

4/23/23 3:50pm

150 grams of carbs per day. I don't care where they come from.

TrueBlue67

4/23/23 3:52pm

How many calories do you eat in a day? Are you logging it with an app?

Magneto

4/23/23 10:44pm

I don't pay attention to calories at all. I focus on a balanced diet and keep my

TrueBlue67

4/24/23 10:17am

Congrats. Eating healthy (actually healthy) is extremely difficult especially

Chefcurry

4/23/23 3:52pm

Inspiring. Thanks for sharing your story. Hope it leads to a long life for you.

ldssdl

4/23/23 4:28pm

The best peer-reviewed food science still shows 55-60% of your avg kcal/day

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:34pm

This is terrible advice.

Samsonite

4/23/23 4:42pm

Please cite your peer-reviewed scientific data

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:47pm

You posted a government funded “study”. Might as well have posted the food pyramid.

Samsonite

4/23/23 4:52pm

I cited a 165 pages summarizing the best peer reviewed research available

BYU'01

4/23/23 4:58pm

No, I didn’t read 165 pages. I looked at the summary and who funded the “study”. It’s the same people that preached

Samsonite

4/23/23 5:00pm

It’s not a study. It’s a summary of #00s of studies: BEST data avail. Your data?

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:04pm

My data is that I limit carbs and I’m very healthy. The healthiest people I know do the same.

Samsonite

4/23/23 5:22pm

No wonder MLMs are so pervasive. Do you hate all sciences? Just medicine & diet?

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:33pm

Diet advise from government is historically awful.

Samsonite

4/25/23 12:07pm

Like I said, this has only been my journey. Take it for what it is worth, which

TrueBlue67

4/23/23 6:11pm

‘Times of famine’ specifically references flesh of beasts, fowl, animals

BYU'01

4/23/23 6:20pm

To each his own...

TrueBlue67

4/23/23 6:30pm

The WOW was given at a time when food was seasonal.

Mises

4/23/23 8:34pm

I love hearing this! So good for you!

Lefty24

4/23/23 8:51pm

Fast, easy to attain calorie dense food. Push of upsizing everything. We are

kotacoug

4/23/23 3:48pm

Too many calories. The end

chismoso

4/23/23 3:49pm

In the not too distant future, 1/3 of Americans will have type 2 diabetes

Ten_Hour_Drives

4/23/23 3:52pm

Lots of reasons but corn syrup is among them.

panacablue

4/23/23 4:05pm

The food pyramid. Total crock of rubbish that destroyed a generation's health

doctorcoug

4/23/23 4:29pm

Insulin problems.

calvindyer

4/23/23 4:46pm

It is expensive to eat healthy.

BYUtka

4/23/23 4:56pm

This is really a myth or excuse. It isn’t… it takes will power and effort though

kotacoug

4/23/23 5:09pm

Absolutely

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:16pm

It absolutely is true. Pretending it is a myth doesn't help anyone.

BYUtka

4/23/23 6:26pm

Using it as an excuse hurts more

kotacoug

4/23/23 6:40pm

No one is "using it as an excuse."

BYUtka

4/23/23 8:39pm

I disagree. My wife and I eat very healthy and our food budget is $350/month, up

TrueBlue67

4/23/23 7:11pm

The data & science is remarkably consistent: sedentary, processed foods ->

BYU'01

4/23/23 5:14pm

Define processed food

4/23/23 5:19pm

I enjoy cooked food. Generally, too much added processed sugar, fats & NO3s

BYU'01

4/23/23 6:55pm

Your link has the exact same categories as mine doesn’t it?

4/23/23 7:05pm

Obesity impacted by dietary patterns incl. too many kcals & sedentary life style

BYU'01

4/23/23 8:08pm

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