BYU having success and rising, sure. Doesn't mean Utah is 'declining'.

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Nov 18, 2021
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MrDaBaDe had lunch with a couple Yewt athletic department guys today. They spent quite a bit of time bemoaning the hit

ImBlueDaBaDe All-American

11/17/21 6:57pm

This is an under-appreciated point of Big 12 inclusion.

stenso

11/17/21 6:59pm

I don't underappreciate it. I don't think it's possible to over appreciate it

ratherberoping

11/17/21 8:35pm

RE: MrDaBaDe had lunch with a couple Yewt athletic department guys today. They spent quite a bit of time bemoaning the

2FarGone

11/17/21 7:02pm

Not saying it didn't happen — but people at Utah see the sky as the limit — not falling

TFL

11/17/21 7:04pm

Meh, low level guys angling for $, maybe just telling him what they thought he wanted to hear.

ImBlueDaBaDe

11/17/21 7:07pm

You seem to be forgetting that BYU is the PAC South Champion already.

m0resn0w

11/17/21 7:09pm

Yep, supremacy of the pac12 south this year has already been decided, and it ain’t Utah.

valcorger

11/17/21 10:34pm

RE: Not saying it didn't happen — but people at Utah see the sky as the

panacablue

11/17/21 7:12pm

Clean sweep of the south you say?

CBaass

11/17/21 7:18pm

Yep. UCLA, USC, CU, ASU, AZ. 14+ point average MOV.

TFL

11/17/21 8:02pm

You’re conveniently leaving off your lone south defeat

WP17

11/17/21 8:34pm

Maybe you are trolling about the BYU game, but their one PAC loss

Florwood

11/17/21 8:58pm

RE: Maybe you are trolling about the BYU game, but their one PAC loss

WP17

11/17/21 9:06pm

It's more about the trend. If Utah wins the South...again...and starts off as the favorite again

TFL

11/18/21 1:49pm

"Pac-12 supremacy" =

MantisTobaggan

11/17/21 7:45pm

Lol. Yeah. Oregon and Utah have been the top 2 programs the last several years. Oregon is #3

TFL

11/17/21 8:01pm

Just a joke just a joke.

MantisTobaggan

11/17/21 9:35pm

True big game and UU has turned it around, but UO is a strawman propped up by CF

RexburgCougar

11/19/21 9:19am

And yet, you're all fighting for 2nd place in the PAC10.2 South behind BYU...

TrueBlue67

11/17/21 7:56pm

Fair enough. BYU has been awesome this year. But it's like losing to Oregon State

TFL

11/17/21 8:03pm

That also isn’t a rivalry game . . . Or are they rivals like USC???

LakeshowCougs

11/17/21 10:16pm

Kinda like the good 'ol days in the WAC/MWC... everyone thought they were BYU's

TrueBlue67

11/18/21 5:07pm

BYU guys are kidding themselves if they don't think the

TFL

11/18/21 6:16pm

And he was fired

BYU Grounds

11/18/21 6:19pm

Yeah how many times has Utah been to the Rose bowl? Doesn’t any team that wants

LakeshowCougs

11/18/21 6:58pm

How many schools have won their conference in the last 5 years?

TFL

11/18/21 7:05pm

Speaking of “clean sweep of the south…”

Metallicat

11/17/21 8:32pm

Great win for BYU. But 1 loss out of 10 games isn't a sign of doom for the program. It's just

TFL

11/17/21 8:38pm

Nah, it's 2

cougforever

11/17/21 11:18pm

Lander Barton is a Ute through and through, there was never a doubt he was going

BYU Grounds

11/17/21 8:46pm

Now try to explain away our 4* QB from SO Cal and our soon to be 4* RB from FL

Roghai

11/18/21 5:20am

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CougarBored1001

11/18/21 11:16am

He's already a 4* on Rivals

DryFlyUte

11/18/21 1:07pm

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CougarBored1001

11/18/21 5:58pm

And yet the Rivals rating is used by 247

DryFlyUte

11/18/21 6:37pm

Yep, and 24/7 hasn’t updated Glover’s rating since his Junior season. They’ll

Roghai

11/19/21 6:50am

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CougarBored1001

11/19/21 9:32am

Umm. Utah isn't having a down year in recruiting

DryFlyUte

11/19/21 10:33am

Frosh?

Backcountry

11/17/21 9:13pm

serious question: why do you think landing Barton was a huge feat? isn't he

yahtzee

11/17/21 10:10pm

Because he is a fantastic player. Joining a terrific class

TFL

11/17/21 10:15pm

I get that he's a fantastic player, but is it a 'huge feat' if he's yours to

yahtzee

11/17/21 10:27pm

Well, think about the reverse situation. What if they didn’t? The reason he committed

TFL

11/17/21 10:40pm

maybe i'm not following you. are you suggesting it wouldn't be a big loss if

yahtzee

11/17/21 11:03pm

What you’re missing is the response to OPs typical CB sky is falling at Utah

TFL

11/17/21 11:15pm

I already stated I wasn't disputing utah is recruiting well.

yahtzee

11/17/21 11:28pm

I hear what you are saying, but do you have a Ryan Smith?

Loafer

11/18/21 12:09am

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CougarBored1001

11/18/21 1:09am

Okay. Well, from what you can gather in Utah recruiting. What makes you think the program is headed to decline?

TFL

11/18/21 1:50pm

I think most here saw the bad start and say the whole program is in decline.

SoBlueitHurts

11/19/21 7:22am

That's an authentic take

TFL

11/19/21 3:58pm

Honest question here. Do you see Whittingham retiring in the next 5 years and..

BYU Grounds

11/19/21 4:16pm

It depends

TFL

11/19/21 6:01pm

How is Run26 doing these days?

BIG XII Coug

11/17/21 7:05pm

RE: How is Run26 doing these days?

John Doe

11/17/21 8:13pm

We need to focus on beating our conference rivals in recruiting not some school

Blueto

11/17/21 7:07pm

The sudden uptick in BYU recruiting has been a bit surprising to me. I certainly

Soy Celeste

11/17/21 7:12pm

Show that things being mostly equal, BYU is more desirable

boogers

11/17/21 7:16pm

The gap in recruiting hasn’t changed one bit comparing last year to this year..

Roghai

11/18/21 5:25am

Makes BYU beating Utah squarely even more embarrassing, doesn’t it?

Soupie

11/18/21 6:49am

Not at all. Even with a talent advantage, only losing one in the last ten games

Roghai

11/18/21 8:33am

Soupie

BYU Grounds

11/18/21 5:00pm

Wait and see.

boogers

11/18/21 8:49am

I don’t think it’s just a b12 thing. We also have a coach players want

Don Carlton

11/17/21 9:14pm

BYU average recruit rating for 2022: 83.20 2021: 83.86. For reference, Utah’s

Roghai

11/18/21 5:24am

Both teams are on the rise. Don’t know why people think Ut fans are feeling down

idkwhatiexpected

11/17/21 8:04pm

Lol Utah’s average recruit rating so far: 87.15. Last year: 87.27

Roghai

11/18/21 5:19am

Uh oh! Ute-fan-on-CB convention going on here

ACrop

11/18/21 6:39am

did you know that 84% of Rogaine's stats are made up on the spot?

yahtzee

11/18/21 8:29am

Here you go.

Roghai

11/18/21 8:39am

I was joking. but thanks. BTW, I didn't know Utes were 10th in the Pac12

yahtzee

11/18/21 8:55am

Only because Utah always fills out their class later than everyone else. Happens

Roghai

11/18/21 8:57am

hmmm. they ended up 5th last year. Middle of the pac of the 5th best fb conf

yahtzee

11/18/21 9:01am

Where would BYU have landed?

Roghai

11/18/21 9:03am

if we were in the Pac12? no way to know. we got into a better conference.

yahtzee

11/18/21 9:04am

Byu only finished ahead of one PAC 12 team in recruiting last year: Arizona

Roghai

11/18/21 9:08am

I know it's easy to get confused b/c BYU may win the Pac12 title

yahtzee

11/18/21 9:09am

How in the world did we beat all those Pac 12 teams? Like you said yourself

RenoCoug

11/18/21 11:15am

You’re better coached than all the PAC 12 teams you play this season besides

Roghai

11/19/21 6:52am

We were better coached early in the season

SoBlueitHurts

11/19/21 7:12am

We're not talking about history we live in there and now 26-17, its been 800 day

BYU Grounds

11/19/21 3:50pm

So that average number is subject to drop (or maybe rise) once the class is

SoBlueitHurts

11/18/21 10:05am

Yep, but the sample is large enough that we know Utah isn’t having this big made

Roghai

11/18/21 10:12am

My source: 24/7 sports’s composite rating which averages the ratings of all the

Roghai

11/18/21 8:35am

WOW man, your comments are mistimed at best.

Zoobieman

11/18/21 9:48am

This sounds very much like the things MrDaBaDe heard at lunch.

ImBlueDaBaDe

11/18/21 9:59am

No, it sounds like what you’re saying is made up. BYU hasn’t been beating Utah

Roghai

11/18/21 10:10am

Hahahahaha you’re clueless. Do you really want me to come back to this when Utah

Roghai

11/18/21 10:00am

Come back to this thread? No. But discuss Utah's success when it happens

Zoobieman

11/18/21 11:10am

Doesn’t account for 1/2 the team entering the transfer portal.

Romex

11/18/21 6:50am

What are you even talking about? I’m clearly talking football

Roghai

11/18/21 8:37am

Take it either way, Football or Basketball. Or are you referring to players just

Romex

11/18/21 8:57am

That’s not happening in football more than normal

Roghai

11/18/21 9:04am

RE: That’s not happening in football more than normal

Romex

11/18/21 5:09pm

Okay. Whatever you say, #2.

Megamind

11/18/21 8:39am

You aren't taking into account people that have committed to BYU since the BIG12

YaHerdWithPerd

11/18/21 8:46am

Lol how much do you want to bet? I follow recruiting pretty closely and am

Roghai

11/18/21 8:55am

Who’s that? They honestly don’t have much room to recruit with all the frosh

idkwhatiexpected

11/18/21 2:04pm

BYU will hopefully get a boost from big 12 affiliation, I don’t see how U has

idkwhatiexpected

11/18/21 2:03pm

Our only 2 commits since the announcement average .895. Not to mention a .97

YaHerdWithPerd

11/18/21 8:50am

Lol those guys were going to byu either way

Roghai

11/18/21 8:56am

ah, so we just discount the guys like Barton who were "going to utah either way"

yahtzee

11/18/21 8:58am

We’re discussing BYU having some supposed big jump in recruiting after the Big12

Roghai

11/18/21 9:02am

I don't think it's irreverent at all. It's just sports, not religion dude.

yahtzee

11/18/21 9:05am

Moa was literally committed to Utah. What about Collin Chandler who was a lock

YaHerdWithPerd

11/18/21 11:07am

Moa decommited from Utah because of a disagreement on position he would play

DryFlyUte

11/18/21 4:44pm

Lol don’t bring up a guy like Moa when you clearly don’t know the backstory

Roghai

11/19/21 6:56am

You can't stop there. Tell us all what the backstory is please.

Wingnut

11/19/21 6:57am

ESPN 700 talked about Moa's decommitment from Utah

DryFlyUte

11/19/21 9:18am

Good for them.

Thrill

11/18/21 9:11am

Utah's class is ranked in the 80s nationally. . .BYU in the 70s. . .

MyTwoCents

11/18/21 9:14am

That’s because it weighs the total number of commits. BYU has filled out their

Roghai

11/18/21 9:22am

Again, 90% of our class was signed before we got into the BIG 12. we don't know

YaHerdWithPerd

11/18/21 11:11am

Do they weigh the Ute commits before or after they visit the west concourse?

yahtzee

11/18/21 2:39pm

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Zoobieman

11/18/21 9:27am

it'll take time before changes are seen in these metrics

Hill4Heisman

11/18/21 12:07pm

BYU having success and rising, sure. Doesn't mean Utah is 'declining'.

seacougar

11/18/21 12:38pm

Wait, we got Rising?

ImBlueDaBaDe

11/18/21 12:42pm

He was a non committable offer. The Utes have even better QB for next year 4.3

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